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  • TheBadazz
    MVP
    • Jun 2004
    • 2610

    #31
    Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

    I know this sounds crazy, but what if there is something said if they produce a "generic football game" that they may NEVER get a chance at the NFL again. Maybe that's why Sony cancelled "Road to Glory" last year and never mentioned it again. Midway didn't want the NFL anymore anyway.
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    • Dondadda
      MVP
      • Sep 2003
      • 1204

      #32
      Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

      Originally posted by Badboy49er
      And your basing this completely and soley off FOOTBALL for next gen?? correct?
      Because the current state of "sports gaming" outside of football is just fine IMO

      Is IT????? How's baseball doing right now?

      The best soccer game out there has limited licensing. The NHL 2K series is great for the most part, but still PLAGUED by sloppy glitch after sloppy glitch. There's one good bball title. There's no great football titles being releases (although I think that the last NCAA title qualifies as "good"). If you count wrestling as a sports game, then the announcement that there is no SD! on the PS3 for its first year out is a dissapointment. If you like golf, there hasn't been a great title released in a couple of years. NASCAR games have been taken down a notch. There is no creative generic game out there in any sports, aside from W11.

      "Just fine?" OK, if you say so, but I remember other eras when it was doing much, much better.
      Been gaming since the Atari 2600, and hells no I won't stop!!!

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      • Dondadda
        MVP
        • Sep 2003
        • 1204

        #33
        Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        Ignored? How are they ignoring you? They just informed us that there is no game coming out this year.
        It's well known that 2K Sports is dreadful in terms of interacting with consumers after a game's release. I think that's what he was referring to.
        Been gaming since the Atari 2600, and hells no I won't stop!!!

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        • VCdolphin
          Pro
          • Jul 2004
          • 544

          #34
          Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

          Originally posted by TheBadazz
          I know this sounds crazy, but what if there is something said if they produce a "generic football game" that they may NEVER get a chance at the NFL again. Maybe that's why Sony cancelled "Road to Glory" last year and never mentioned it again. Midway didn't want the NFL anymore anyway.

          When the NFL has locked you out for five years, does it really matter if they threaten you for producing a generic football game? If anything, without anyone else able to bid on an exclusive license the NFL has little leverage against EA. That means EA could offer HALF of what they paid for the first five year exclusive -and point out that no other developer is ready to make a football game.

          That's why, at the very least, VC/2K Sports needs to have a small team building a next-gen football engine for the 360, Wii, and PS3. Whether they choose to release a generic football game is another matter, but they would at least be ready to make a football game within a year of getting the NFL license back.

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #35
            Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

            Originally posted by grunt
            I am talking about the past 2 years. The no comment stance is getting old and lead reasonable people to believe all type of rumors. I am still hoping for a new game next year but 2k could have handle this situation better. Consumers still matters.

            My best source of info of a potential game is you. I give you credit for asking the tough questions but I believe the consumers deserve better info than no comment response from 2k.

            The same way 2k could tell Steve about a non game they could have communicate some hope within their fan base about a potential game.
            I see your point but lets be real here. If they announce a game next year or next week, you and everyone else on this board will be just as excited and will probably buy the game. Also, you cant expect a company to respond to every rumor that someone starts about a game. I wrote last Nov. that 2K had no plans to release a game in 2006 and other websites have done the same. With the exception of the ill advised posts on their forum by a moderator, 2K hasnt released any info that would lead someone to thinking that they planned to release a game in 2006.

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            • wwharton
              *ll St*r
              • Aug 2002
              • 26949

              #36
              Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

              Originally posted by Dondadda
              It's well known that 2K Sports is dreadful in terms of interacting with consumers after a game's release. I think that's what he was referring to.
              It's well known? Really? Wasn't it the 2k crowd that bragged of how well they responded to the communities' wishes in comparison to EA? Haven't they been quick to come out with patches to fix problems before EA did? I know many VC employees have frequented this site and nfl2kx.com when it was focused on the game, listened and responded while there are nothing but tons of stories about how unapproachable many EA employees are.

              Like I said (which everyone seems to just ignore) this monster was created by the community, not TT, not VC, not anyone else. I'm glad Aaron decided to comment also. All this VC bashing is just out of hand. Now 2k fans hate EA and VC, lol.

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              • Deltron
                Rookie
                • Sep 2003
                • 340

                #37
                Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                I think the thing is that 2k/TT didn't adequately address the NFL license situation or respond to the fans in the time frame after the announcement was made. I think that they should have done something more to thank their fans for supporting the series, and also address the future of the series in a straight forward manner. So as not to leave the fans hanging and guessing.

                One of the things that helped to fuel all of the speculation and rumours throughout the two-year period was the lack of communication from 2k Sports.

                I believe that they might have released a statement after the NFL deal but I'm pretty sure it didn't let their fans know whether or not to expect a new game. I think that is a bit of a mistake if they do plan on releasing one. If someone still has that press release I would love to re-read it.

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                • wwharton
                  *ll St*r
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 26949

                  #38
                  Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                  That's what everybody thinks but no one has presented examples of that ever happening. As I mentioned earlier, when Madden took a year off they had more reason to make a statement. What else ya got?

                  What everyone is so upset about is unheard of and only seems not only reasonable but expected b/c so many have bitched about it in forums.

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                  • Heelfan71
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 19940

                    #39
                    Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                    Anyone able to crack the cryptic message in Steves post yet ??? I think he is really saying that they Are working on a game !!! Woot !! I think he forgot to put this guy ----> at the end of his post ??
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                    • baa7
                      Banned
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 11691

                      #40
                      Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                      Originally posted by wwharton
                      It's well known? Really? Wasn't it the 2k crowd that bragged of how well they responded to the communities' wishes in comparison to EA? Haven't they been quick to come out with patches to fix problems before EA did? I know many VC employees have frequented this site and nfl2kx.com when it was focused on the game, listened and responded while there are nothing but tons of stories about how unapproachable many EA employees are.

                      Like I said (which everyone seems to just ignore) this monster was created by the community, not TT, not VC, not anyone else. I'm glad Aaron decided to comment also. All this VC bashing is just out of hand. Now 2k fans hate EA and VC, lol.
                      NFL 2K5 – Programming issues and broken features that never worked from the word go. No patch; no response from 2K regarding consumer complaints.

                      MLB 2K5 – Broken features, glitches galore; a game killing issue (passed balls) that some gamer eventually found a fix for. No patch; no response from 2K regarding the passed ball issue or consumer complaints.

                      NHL 2K6 360 – Glitches; freeze issues. No patch; no response from 2K regarding consumer complaints.

                      MLB 2K6 360 – Glitches; programming issues; freeze issues. No patch; no response from 2K regarding consumer complaints other than one “finalized” patch for the freeze issue that did not resolve the freeze issue for many gamers.

                      The criticism directed towards 2K is completely deserving. Hardly out of hand; on the contrary, IMO 2K gets too much of a free ride from people, in the same way Maddenites blindly defend EA.

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                      • Dondadda
                        MVP
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 1204

                        #41
                        Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                        Originally posted by wwharton
                        It's well known? Really? Wasn't it the 2k crowd that bragged of how well they responded to the communities' wishes in comparison to EA? Haven't they been quick to come out with patches to fix problems before EA did? I know many VC employees have frequented this site and nfl2kx.com when it was focused on the game, listened and responded while there are nothing but tons of stories about how unapproachable many EA employees are.
                        Look, I'm one of the guys that worked with the NFL 2K5 developers in improving their leagues, and I can testify that OTHER THAN that game, 2K sports is DREADFUL in responding to their fanbase AFTER release. The most blatant example of this is NHL 2K5, where Kush blatantly and openly mines the most hardcore fans for months, and then abandons them in a sea of sloppy programming errors after release, only to slowly crawl back to them when it's time to fine-tune for the next release. Kush has done this a few years in a row now, so any one who gets upset about it should know better, but it's the same old act with some of the sloppiest developers around on an NHL that is still amazing, despite of all that.

                        MLB? What a joke - no help at all from 2K on that title.

                        Baa7 is on the money in his post. 2K is all well and good with relating with the fans when they want something from them, but will turn a cold shoulder when the fans need help and 2K will not directly benefit from helping them out (well, except for, you know, DEVELOPING GOOD WILL with your fanbase, but honestly, who cares about that?).
                        Last edited by Dondadda; 08-29-2006, 07:52 PM.
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                        • Dondadda
                          MVP
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 1204

                          #42
                          Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                          Originally posted by baa7
                          The criticism directed towards 2K is completely deserving. Hardly out of hand; on the contrary, IMO 2K gets too much of a free ride from people, in the same way Maddenites blindly defend EA.
                          Absolutely true.


                          This is one of the several reasons why we currently sit in a dark era for sports gaming. There isn't a single great multi-sport developer out there right now. It's really all about the "lesser of 2 evils" with 2K Sports. The good thing is that 2K can quickly remedy their problems, while EA is just something that I'm not sure can be fixed without a major restructuring.
                          Been gaming since the Atari 2600, and hells no I won't stop!!!

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                          • grunt
                            Banned
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 9527

                            #43
                            Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                            Originally posted by baa7
                            NFL 2K5 – Programming issues and broken features that never worked from the word go. No patch; no response from 2K regarding consumer complaints.

                            MLB 2K5 – Broken features, glitches galore; a game killing issue (passed balls) that some gamer eventually found a fix for. No patch; no response from 2K regarding the passed ball issue or consumer complaints.

                            NHL 2K6 360 – Glitches; freeze issues. No patch; no response from 2K regarding consumer complaints.

                            MLB 2K6 360 – Glitches; programming issues; freeze issues. No patch; no response from 2K regarding consumer complaints other than one “finalized” patch for the freeze issue that did not resolve the freeze issue for many gamers.

                            The criticism directed towards 2K is completely deserving. Hardly out of hand; on the contrary, IMO 2K gets too much of a free ride from people, in the same way Maddenites blindly defend EA.
                            I think the free ride is coming to an end. Consumers should hold 2k to the same standards we hold EA. We supported 2k when over the last 5 years their games been filled with bugs but MLB2k6 was the straw that broke the camel back.

                            The pr of 2k blew off over 1,000,000 consumers over the past 2 years. Fine, say you aren't going to make a new game but this "no comment" stance is a joke. EA lost MLB but didn't miss a beat with a NCAA title. The NCAA title is as generic as you can get. I can't name one college baseball player but I had the game on the first day. Why, because I like the MVP engine. Build a great game and the fans will come. I guess there is a reason why some companies come in 2nd place.

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                            • CaptainZombie
                              Brains
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 37851

                              #44
                              Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                              Originally posted by aholbert32
                              False information alert!....The NFL/EA is an exclusive deal NOT a third paty exclusive deal. Sony, MS, 2K, Nintendo, 3DO, Turbo Graphx 16.....NO ONE can produce an NFL licensed game for the next 3 years.

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                              • grunt
                                Banned
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 9527

                                #45
                                Re: Stop the Presses: There will be no PFL 2K7

                                Originally posted by aholbert32
                                I see your point but lets be real here. If they announce a game next year or next week, you and everyone else on this board will be just as excited and will probably buy the game. Also, you cant expect a company to respond to every rumor that someone starts about a game. I wrote last Nov. that 2K had no plans to release a game in 2006 and other websites have done the same. With the exception of the ill advised posts on their forum by a moderator, 2K hasnt released any info that would lead someone to thinking that they planned to release a game in 2006.
                                I will buy the game in a New York minute but I think 2k really blew off their consumers. I give you respect for at least asking the questions of 2k but how can VC/t2 disregard your customers that supported their company since 9/9/99? How can 2k think this is good business.

                                I will also say you have always been a voice of moderation regarding VC next football game but 2 years later consumers can't get a clear answer regarding their future football game.

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