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  • TombSong
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2543

    #1

    To OS Mods and VC

    I have read as well as you I am sure alot of the posts regarding sliders and player ratings and such. As it stands these issues seem to be the #1 problem vets and newbies to the game are having. I was wondering if the Mods who have contact with devs at VC can get them to come here and post something that gives us all a better understanding of how player ratings/sliders/difficulty level tie in with each other.

    Example: I have been testing teams with good fast WR's against Irvine(CB for the vikings). He has a low coverage rating. On all-pro the better WR's get seperation from him but on Legend he just about blankets them. So I am left wondering, just how much was his player ratings adjusted and which ones.

    Also I know defensive play calling has an affect on how well a given passs/run play will be defended. The problem is I think not fully understanding the logic behind what determines what a AI player is gonna do when playing a Zone or man to man and how his ratings effect how well or how bad they play a zone or man to man, and how consistantly they will play well or bad. Does a 90 rating say they will do well 60% of the time, 80% of the time or what ?

    EXAMPLE: I have noticed on some plays where I am playing 3 deep zones with zone underneath by the LB's that some LB jam the WR coming through their zone better than others and when playing man to man coverage some LB/DB seem to be aware of where the ball is better than others when its in the air. However it seems to be inconsistant with the player ratings or shall I say, "MY understanding of the ratings" I hope I am making sense.

    The running game issue is an odd one. I used he Cowboys against the Dolphins and Ricky Williams ran all over me on Legend difficulty. When I played my nephew with the same teams I shut Ricky Down pretty much. So I am thinking either the CPU is better at controlling Ricky(maybe too good) OR the ratings are somehow skewed in regards to whether you are playing a single player game or multiplayer game. Either way, answers to these questions would help dispell myths about the game and help us enjoy the game more.

    Thanks
  • Heelfan71
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jul 2002
    • 19940

    #2
    Re: To OS Mods and VC

    going to legend bumps all the computers ratings up and your down. Of course the DB's will cover better on legend since all the defensive sliders are moved up.


    as far as the running game goes, Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should.
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    • Heelfan71
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2002
      • 19940

      #3
      Re: To OS Mods and VC

      going to legend bumps all the computers ratings up and your down. Of course the DB's will cover better on legend since all the defensive sliders are moved up.


      as far as the running game goes, Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should.
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      • Heelfan71
        Hall Of Fame
        • Jul 2002
        • 19940

        #4
        Re: To OS Mods and VC

        going to legend bumps all the computers ratings up and your down. Of course the DB's will cover better on legend since all the defensive sliders are moved up.


        as far as the running game goes, Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should.
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        • TombSong
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 2543

          #5
          Re: To OS Mods and VC

          What you are saying may be true but it does not dispel myths. Its just your opinion on how things should be.

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          • TombSong
            MVP
            • Jul 2002
            • 2543

            #6
            Re: To OS Mods and VC

            What you are saying may be true but it does not dispel myths. Its just your opinion on how things should be.

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            • TombSong
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 2543

              #7
              Re: To OS Mods and VC

              What you are saying may be true but it does not dispel myths. Its just your opinion on how things should be.

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              • TombSong
                MVP
                • Jul 2002
                • 2543

                #8
                Re: To OS Mods and VC

                To clarify myself so there is no misunderstanding. Saying "Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should." Is not the response someone whould want to hear when they have been playing bear formations or any eight man front or any defense for that matter thats designed to stop the run only to see a RB break 3-4 tackles and scamper for big gains consistantly. Yes every RB has their good and bad days but 20 running plays ran against 8 man fronts should not result in any RB having a high percentage of big plays and broken tackles. Ask Emmitt Smith.

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                • TombSong
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2543

                  #9
                  Re: To OS Mods and VC

                  To clarify myself so there is no misunderstanding. Saying "Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should." Is not the response someone whould want to hear when they have been playing bear formations or any eight man front or any defense for that matter thats designed to stop the run only to see a RB break 3-4 tackles and scamper for big gains consistantly. Yes every RB has their good and bad days but 20 running plays ran against 8 man fronts should not result in any RB having a high percentage of big plays and broken tackles. Ask Emmitt Smith.

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                  • TombSong
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2543

                    #10
                    Re: To OS Mods and VC

                    To clarify myself so there is no misunderstanding. Saying "Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should." Is not the response someone whould want to hear when they have been playing bear formations or any eight man front or any defense for that matter thats designed to stop the run only to see a RB break 3-4 tackles and scamper for big gains consistantly. Yes every RB has their good and bad days but 20 running plays ran against 8 man fronts should not result in any RB having a high percentage of big plays and broken tackles. Ask Emmitt Smith.

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                    • Heelfan71
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 19940

                      #11
                      Re: To OS Mods and VC

                      Bear defense will give up big runs, there is no one playing deep. 3-4 or 4-3 is best against run. As far as breaking tackles, see the sticky about playing defense.
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                      • Heelfan71
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 19940

                        #12
                        Re: To OS Mods and VC

                        Bear defense will give up big runs, there is no one playing deep. 3-4 or 4-3 is best against run. As far as breaking tackles, see the sticky about playing defense.
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                        • Heelfan71
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 19940

                          #13
                          Re: To OS Mods and VC

                          Bear defense will give up big runs, there is no one playing deep. 3-4 or 4-3 is best against run. As far as breaking tackles, see the sticky about playing defense.
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                          • onetonmartin
                            Think Different
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 1048

                            #14
                            Re: To OS Mods and VC

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                            TombSong said:
                            To clarify myself so there is no misunderstanding. Saying "Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should." Is not the response someone whould want to hear when they have been playing bear formations or any eight man front or any defense for that matter thats designed to stop the run only to see a RB break 3-4 tackles and scamper for big gains consistantly. Yes every RB has their good and bad days but 20 running plays ran against 8 man fronts should not result in any RB having a high percentage of big plays and broken tackles. Ask Emmitt Smith.

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                            I hear what you are trying to say, but it sounds like you need to practice with your defense. To start off, try not to compare Ricky Williams on Legend to Ricky Williams controlled by your nephew. The computer uses an insane amount of moves, all at the right time &amp; all with great effectiveness.

                            If you are going to use Bear &amp; expect it to stop the run, just because it is designed to do so, then you are in for some trouble. If you expect to hold Williams under 100 yds every game then you are being too hard on yourself. You need to experiment using 4-3 &amp; Bear in ways different than what you are now. A wise man once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result." If you wan't some advice scower the OS fourums because it is loaded with it. I don't need to tell you how I stop Legend's run, because I &amp; many others have repeated it over &amp; over again. So good luck TombSong

                            As far as the confusion w/ DB's attributes and ratings, I have never had these problems. My weak players are weak &amp; my solid players are solid. I just adapt to provide help to my weak links.

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                            • onetonmartin
                              Think Different
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1048

                              #15
                              Re: To OS Mods and VC

                              </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
                              TombSong said:
                              To clarify myself so there is no misunderstanding. Saying "Ricky Williams or any RB isnt always going to have a good game. Just like real life, teams play better than they should at times and worse than they should." Is not the response someone whould want to hear when they have been playing bear formations or any eight man front or any defense for that matter thats designed to stop the run only to see a RB break 3-4 tackles and scamper for big gains consistantly. Yes every RB has their good and bad days but 20 running plays ran against 8 man fronts should not result in any RB having a high percentage of big plays and broken tackles. Ask Emmitt Smith.

                              <hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

                              I hear what you are trying to say, but it sounds like you need to practice with your defense. To start off, try not to compare Ricky Williams on Legend to Ricky Williams controlled by your nephew. The computer uses an insane amount of moves, all at the right time &amp; all with great effectiveness.

                              If you are going to use Bear &amp; expect it to stop the run, just because it is designed to do so, then you are in for some trouble. If you expect to hold Williams under 100 yds every game then you are being too hard on yourself. You need to experiment using 4-3 &amp; Bear in ways different than what you are now. A wise man once said, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result." If you wan't some advice scower the OS fourums because it is loaded with it. I don't need to tell you how I stop Legend's run, because I &amp; many others have repeated it over &amp; over again. So good luck TombSong

                              As far as the confusion w/ DB's attributes and ratings, I have never had these problems. My weak players are weak &amp; my solid players are solid. I just adapt to provide help to my weak links.

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