I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

**wco81** · 09-29-2003, 10:37 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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PrimeTime21 said:
Somebody needs to let Visual Concepts in on this so they can fix it via roster update and force a update to play online. If they do this we got a whole new ball game. I mean if they can force a patch then they can force new rosters with it. There's a lot of player ratings that are completely wrong and that needs to be fixed too.

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I thought you couldn't use rosters online?

Or is that only the PS2 version that can't use updated rosters for online games?

**Heelfan71** · 09-29-2003, 10:58 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

**Heelfan71** · 09-29-2003, 10:58 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

**Heelfan71** · 09-29-2003, 10:58 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

**PrimeTime21** · 09-30-2003, 01:14 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

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Maddens is better

**PrimeTime21** · 09-30-2003, 01:14 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

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Maddens is better

**PrimeTime21** · 09-30-2003, 01:14 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

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Maddens is better

**sportsgeist** · 09-30-2003, 05:29 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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PrimeTime21 said:
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Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

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Maddens is better

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Madden is better? Yeah right. I'll keep posting this until I'm blue in the fingers.

VC has all the relevant ratings come into play during line play, runs, catches, coverages and tackles. It's your job while controlling your players is to help boost your chance of making a better catch, run or tackle. All the while on Madden sometimes your held back by the so-called momentum factor and suspect player ratings. The only problem with Madden's momentum model is it makes sure tacklers out of known scrubs. The ratings in Madden also make known stone handed receivers into Jerry Rice because the ratings don't come into play as much as in ESPN. I think the ratings in Madden are there for show and are so high that it would make someone playing with a scrub team feel good. Sure people are going to love a game where everything is tipped in your favor but is that what you truely want. I want the same disadvantages of the real team. That's what playing a franchise is about. If you have a scrub in a position that's vital your success then release or trade that person to bring in someone who can do the job better.

With Madden's non relevant player ratings and momentum model you could have a monkey come off the bench and be a Pro Bowler.

**sportsgeist** · 09-30-2003, 05:29 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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PrimeTime21 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

<hr /></blockquote>

Maddens is better

<hr /></blockquote>
Madden is better? Yeah right. I'll keep posting this until I'm blue in the fingers.

VC has all the relevant ratings come into play during line play, runs, catches, coverages and tackles. It's your job while controlling your players is to help boost your chance of making a better catch, run or tackle. All the while on Madden sometimes your held back by the so-called momentum factor and suspect player ratings. The only problem with Madden's momentum model is it makes sure tacklers out of known scrubs. The ratings in Madden also make known stone handed receivers into Jerry Rice because the ratings don't come into play as much as in ESPN. I think the ratings in Madden are there for show and are so high that it would make someone playing with a scrub team feel good. Sure people are going to love a game where everything is tipped in your favor but is that what you truely want. I want the same disadvantages of the real team. That's what playing a franchise is about. If you have a scrub in a position that's vital your success then release or trade that person to bring in someone who can do the job better.

With Madden's non relevant player ratings and momentum model you could have a monkey come off the bench and be a Pro Bowler.

**sportsgeist** · 09-30-2003, 05:29 AM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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PrimeTime21 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

<hr /></blockquote>

Maddens is better

<hr /></blockquote>
Madden is better? Yeah right. I'll keep posting this until I'm blue in the fingers.

VC has all the relevant ratings come into play during line play, runs, catches, coverages and tackles. It's your job while controlling your players is to help boost your chance of making a better catch, run or tackle. All the while on Madden sometimes your held back by the so-called momentum factor and suspect player ratings. The only problem with Madden's momentum model is it makes sure tacklers out of known scrubs. The ratings in Madden also make known stone handed receivers into Jerry Rice because the ratings don't come into play as much as in ESPN. I think the ratings in Madden are there for show and are so high that it would make someone playing with a scrub team feel good. Sure people are going to love a game where everything is tipped in your favor but is that what you truely want. I want the same disadvantages of the real team. That's what playing a franchise is about. If you have a scrub in a position that's vital your success then release or trade that person to bring in someone who can do the job better.

With Madden's non relevant player ratings and momentum model you could have a monkey come off the bench and be a Pro Bowler.

**gippernation** · 09-30-2003, 02:47 PM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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sportsgeist said:
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PrimeTime21 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

<hr /></blockquote>

Maddens is better

<hr /></blockquote>
Madden is better? Yeah right. I'll keep posting this until I'm blue in the fingers.

VC has all the relevant ratings come into play during line play, runs, catches, coverages and tackles. It's your job while controlling your players is to help boost your chance of making a better catch, run or tackle. All the while on Madden sometimes your held back by the so-called momentum factor and suspect player ratings. The only problem with Madden's momentum model is it makes sure tacklers out of known scrubs. The ratings in Madden also make known stone handed receivers into Jerry Rice because the ratings don't come into play as much as in ESPN. I think the ratings in Madden are there for show and are so high that it would make someone playing with a scrub team feel good. Sure people are going to love a game where everything is tipped in your favor but is that what you truely want. I want the same disadvantages of the real team. That's what playing a franchise is about. If you have a scrub in a position that's vital your success then release or trade that person to bring in someone who can do the job better.

With Madden's non relevant player ratings and momentum model you could have a monkey come off the bench and be a Pro Bowler.

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**gippernation** · 09-30-2003, 02:47 PM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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sportsgeist said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
PrimeTime21 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

<hr /></blockquote>

Maddens is better

<hr /></blockquote>
Madden is better? Yeah right. I'll keep posting this until I'm blue in the fingers.

VC has all the relevant ratings come into play during line play, runs, catches, coverages and tackles. It's your job while controlling your players is to help boost your chance of making a better catch, run or tackle. All the while on Madden sometimes your held back by the so-called momentum factor and suspect player ratings. The only problem with Madden's momentum model is it makes sure tacklers out of known scrubs. The ratings in Madden also make known stone handed receivers into Jerry Rice because the ratings don't come into play as much as in ESPN. I think the ratings in Madden are there for show and are so high that it would make someone playing with a scrub team feel good. Sure people are going to love a game where everything is tipped in your favor but is that what you truely want. I want the same disadvantages of the real team. That's what playing a franchise is about. If you have a scrub in a position that's vital your success then release or trade that person to bring in someone who can do the job better.

With Madden's non relevant player ratings and momentum model you could have a monkey come off the bench and be a Pro Bowler.

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**gippernation** · 09-30-2003, 02:47 PM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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sportsgeist said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
PrimeTime21 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Heelfan71 said:
yes, Sega's ratings are much different and more complicated than Madden.

<hr /></blockquote>

Maddens is better

<hr /></blockquote>
Madden is better? Yeah right. I'll keep posting this until I'm blue in the fingers.

VC has all the relevant ratings come into play during line play, runs, catches, coverages and tackles. It's your job while controlling your players is to help boost your chance of making a better catch, run or tackle. All the while on Madden sometimes your held back by the so-called momentum factor and suspect player ratings. The only problem with Madden's momentum model is it makes sure tacklers out of known scrubs. The ratings in Madden also make known stone handed receivers into Jerry Rice because the ratings don't come into play as much as in ESPN. I think the ratings in Madden are there for show and are so high that it would make someone playing with a scrub team feel good. Sure people are going to love a game where everything is tipped in your favor but is that what you truely want. I want the same disadvantages of the real team. That's what playing a franchise is about. If you have a scrub in a position that's vital your success then release or trade that person to bring in someone who can do the job better.

With Madden's non relevant player ratings and momentum model you could have a monkey come off the bench and be a Pro Bowler.

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**geoffda59** · 09-30-2003, 04:14 PM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

I've been playing around with my special teams roster a lot. I noticed that the CPU-established special teams players are horrible. The ratings of players on special teams seem to fluctuate a lot depending on what position they are in, I never noticed this before. Now I think the lowest rated players on kick/punt returns and kick/punt coverage are 53, and only a couple of them are starters. Now its nothing for my returners to bring the ball back 35 yards, and on the other side of the ball I have been containing returners pretty well. Just by re-shuffling my special teams players my rating went from 2-3 stars. Too bad CPU coached teams don't make these adjustments, to make the game a lot more comptetive.

**geoffda59** · 09-30-2003, 04:14 PM

Re: I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

I've been playing around with my special teams roster a lot. I noticed that the CPU-established special teams players are horrible. The ratings of players on special teams seem to fluctuate a lot depending on what position they are in, I never noticed this before. Now I think the lowest rated players on kick/punt returns and kick/punt coverage are 53, and only a couple of them are starters. Now its nothing for my returners to bring the ball back 35 yards, and on the other side of the ball I have been containing returners pretty well. Just by re-shuffling my special teams players my rating went from 2-3 stars. Too bad CPU coached teams don't make these adjustments, to make the game a lot more comptetive.

I found the problem with the running game IT CAN BE FIXED!

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