What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

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Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

I don't feel like I have anything new to add, but I'll post anyway...

I miss NFL 2k deeply, but I've also tried to make the best out of Madden. Part of it for me, at least, is mental.

I love watching CPU vs. CPU games in my franchise, to see what's happening w/ other teams. And I heard that is not on Madden 360. That's crazy to me. I had been playing Madden on ps2 all week, sulking that we didn't have a demo or sideline cam (both those cams flatter Madden's graphics the most, IMO) for watching CPU vs. CPU games, but when someone said Madden 360 didn't allow you to view CPU games at all, I became thankful that even though we lost camera angles on current gen, I could at least watch games. Overall it sucks because as the years go by and the technology gets better, we shouldn't be losing features and options. But we are (like player editor and mutiple cams on 360), and I don't understand it.

I think that people are not only going to be comparing Madden 07 to 2k5, but also comparing Madden 07 to previous versions of Madden. And I think people are right to do both. For whatever reason, we take a step forward in one area, and a step back in others. And this not only goes for Madden or EA, imo. I see it on other sports games too, and once again, I scratch my head.

I could go on and on...but really, what I want at this point, is to make Madden as fun as possible (fun for me is a combo of graphics, gameplay and user options). And that may mean, for me, playing Madden 06 (or NFL 2k5) on the current gen.

And in the year 2006, it shouldn't have to be that way.

[feeq14]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Just keeping score for the original poster. Summary of all the things listed in this thread so far, plus a few of my own...

What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?:

-Gang Tackling
-Double-team blocking
-Automatic O-line avoidance animations (meaning zero Mario-running)
-Maximum passing
-VIP recorded tendacies and the ability to play against others profile
-TV-style presentation
-Game appropriate cutscenes, (riding bike after injury, oxygen mask after big run)
-First Person Football
-Variable challege system
-Max tackling (big hit vs. wrap & tap)
-Realistic ammount of infractions that you can see actually see happening. (Hey! that guy dragged my defender down..thats a hold! Whistle blows. )
-D-lineman that can tackle while still in the blocking animation.
-Weekly Prep
-Deep(er) juke system (Madden is not far behind here)
-QB evade
-Crib
-Replay save
-Sim to end of game
-Customizable stadium music
-Defensive hot routes
-Online leagues
-Referees
-Chain Gang
-Fully animated sideline
-Sideline reporter
-Ability to assign a DB to a specific reciever all game no matter which side of the field he lines up on (defensive matchups)
-Creation of hybrid defenses such as having 4 dlineman, 2 lbs, 2 cbs, 2 ss and 1 fs.
-Fatigue (lol)
-Route running attribute (so underrated, some WR's could get pushed totally off their route)
-Comprehensive at-the-line audibles,
-A real pocket that actually surrounds the QB
-DB hand-fighting at the LOS...inside/oustide techniques
-Accurate face scans and realistic rookie faces based on blended photos. Madden faces = creeeeepy.
-dirt/sod that kicks up (zoom in on it...actually has a grass side and a dirt side. Kinda cool.)
-passing accuracy bonus for throwing on the QB's set-up "bounce"
-different throwing animations for different QB styles (sidearm, etc)
-team specific offensive formations and defensive plays
-records playcalling tendacies and AI that self adjusts to plays called several times
-play call counter showing how many times you've run a particular play
-Weekly wrap-up with highlights (seeing your highlight on Sportscenter? Priceless)
-Thick layer of dust (LMAO)
*also:
-Ability to set up and watch CPU vs. CPU games.


Did I miss anything?

Nope i think you got about everything. although you probably added a few things that didnt need to be there like the faces, the faces from 2k were downright freakish

[ComfortablyLomb]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

How hard would it be to code defensive matchups?* This has driven me nuts for a few years of Madden now...

*Note - this is rhetorical.

Edit - That said, I thought 2k5 was worse than Madden that year. I could see why some people loved... I didn't though.

[Foddzy]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

-Season Mode.
-Facemask Penalty.
-Crowd and player celebrations that are appropriate to the game situation.
-Custom audibles that can be saved (some don't save in Madden 360).
-Full motion video replays and the ability to save them.

[shortness]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

there's a lot of game breaking things for me that nfk 2k5 has that madden still doesn't.

After playing 2k5 for a bit, seeing madden makes me laugh. The immersion of real simulation football goes right out the window when playing madden with my friends.

I for one, who was a long time EA/Madden fanboy, simply because the best hockey/football/basketball games at one time were from EA, have jumped ship and i've become a 2k sports fanboy.

I can't even look at madden anymore, it was that bad compared to 2k5, and it was 2k5 that really make me have a liking into the philosophy of 2ksports and its attempt to simulate REAL football and basketball. I played past 2k games, like 2k2 for dreamcast, but i was still an EA fan.

Then randomly i bought 2k5 for like 4 bucks (everyone i know had madden) and wow, group tackling and gameplay sold me.

Then i wanted to get nfl 2k6, lo and behold, i search the internet for it and then i read this little article that says EA buys out nfl license... #$%#$%#%$#


And to be honest, its not even that much of torture not playing a new football game for two year or so, because 2k5 was light years ahead of 06 and apparently 07 that i probably wouldn't even have fun playing it.

Anyways, if i do feen for a little football i'll pop in the 2k5 and probably won't buy a new football game til the exclusive license ends.

I'll continue to boycott EA games (i've grown to hate them now) and support 2k sports with my money. BTW, 2k7 = game of the year.

[TeeDogg]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Just keeping score for the original poster. Summary of all the things listed in this thread so far, plus a few of my own...

What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?:

-Gang Tackling
-Double-team blocking
-Automatic O-line avoidance animations (meaning zero Mario-running)
-Maximum passing
-VIP recorded tendacies and the ability to play against others profile
-TV-style presentation
-Game appropriate cutscenes, (riding bike after injury, oxygen mask after big run)
-First Person Football
-Variable challege system
-Max tackling (big hit vs. wrap & tap)
-Realistic ammount of infractions that you can see actually see happening. (Hey! that guy dragged my defender down..thats a hold! Whistle blows. )
-D-lineman that can tackle while still in the blocking animation.
-Weekly Prep
-Deep(er) juke system (Madden is not far behind here)
-QB evade
-Crib
-Replay save
-Sim to end of game
-Customizable stadium music
-Defensive hot routes
-Online leagues
-Referees
-Chain Gang
-Fully animated sideline
-Sideline reporter
-Ability to assign a DB to a specific reciever all game no matter which side of the field he lines up on (defensive matchups)
-Creation of hybrid defenses such as having 4 dlineman, 2 lbs, 2 cbs, 2 ss and 1 fs.
-Fatigue (lol)
-Route running attribute (so underrated, some WR's could get pushed totally off their route)
-Comprehensive at-the-line audibles,
-A real pocket that actually surrounds the QB
-DB hand-fighting at the LOS...inside/oustide techniques
-Accurate face scans and realistic rookie faces based on blended photos. Madden faces = creeeeepy.
-dirt/sod that kicks up (zoom in on it...actually has a grass side and a dirt side. Kinda cool.)
-passing accuracy bonus for throwing on the QB's set-up "bounce"
-different throwing animations for different QB styles (sidearm, etc)
-team specific offensive formations and defensive plays
-records playcalling tendacies and AI that self adjusts to plays called several times
-play call counter showing how many times you've run a particular play
-Weekly wrap-up with highlights (seeing your highlight on Sportscenter? Priceless)
-Thick layer of dust (LMAO)
*also:
-Ability to set up and watch CPU vs. CPU games.


Did I miss anything?

-complex on the fly player interactions,
-almost all animations are interuptable,
-abilty to break tackles after getting wrapped up ( unless help arrives)
-insainly varried tackles, (seemingly based on player positions and other variables)
- choice of sprinting or bracing for a intense move
are just a few more.
but it doesnt matter this is pointless now. madden fans dont care, nore do the shirts at EA.

by the way, i never see any 2k5 fans say it was perfect, just that its leauges ahead of the comp. but not perfect...

[Playmakers]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

I think that if you still enjoy 2K5 just go play it and don't worry about what Madden 07 still doesn't have in it's game.

I mean it's really hard if you don't agree with the game being behind 2K in terms of atmosphere or what ever then why bother since it's not like a surprise Madden doesn't have those things since EA never said it was going to be in the game before you purchased it.

You want halftime highlights and after game post game interviews then fire up 2K5 because it's obvious your not going to get it in Madden this year. I just don't see the point of the thread becuase if EA had said ok here's what will be in the game and they din't put it in then maybe we can complain but I don't ever recall them saying you'll get post game replays or interviews.

That's like saying EA's QB's on the current Gen Sytem or NCAA would take off and scramble if they had that ability and yet none of the QB's in 2K5 came even close doing it even though scrambling QB's have been around for quite some time now.

[TeeDogg]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

I think that if you still enjoy 2K5 just go play it and don't worry about what Madden 07 still doesn't have in it's game.

I mean it's really hard if you don't agree with the game being behind 2K in terms of atmosphere or what ever then why bother since it's not like a surprise Madden doesn't have those things since EA never said it was going to be in the game before you purchased it.

You want halftime highlights and after game post game interviews then fire up 2K5 because it's obvious your not going to get it in Madden this year. I just don't see the point of the thread becuase if EA had said ok here's what will be in the game and they din't put it in then maybe we can complain but I don't ever recall them saying you'll get post game replays or interviews.

That's like saying EA's QB's on the current Gen Sytem or NCAA would take off and scramble if they had that ability and yet none of the QB's in 2K5 came even close doing it even though scrambling QB's have been around for quite some time now.

Ive had CPU Qb's scramble on me all the time, and the bast@#%rds slide before i can take their heads off...LOL, but youre right i think we should give up and just play what we have now or just be happy with whatever EA puts out, i think some and myself are hoping EA takes it apon themselves to take Madden to another level, being that the have 100% of us who want to play football games at their bay (so to speak). but im begining to think its pointless as well.

[Vince]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

I think that if you still enjoy 2K5 just go play it and don't worry about what Madden 07 still doesn't have in it's game.

I mean it's really hard if you don't agree with the game being behind 2K in terms of atmosphere or what ever then why bother since it's not like a surprise Madden doesn't have those things since EA never said it was going to be in the game before you purchased it.

You want halftime highlights and after game post game interviews then fire up 2K5 because it's obvious your not going to get it in Madden this year. I just don't see the point of the thread becuase if EA had said ok here's what will be in the game and they din't put it in then maybe we can complain but I don't ever recall them saying you'll get post game replays or interviews.

That's like saying EA's QB's on the current Gen Sytem or NCAA would take off and scramble if they had that ability and yet none of the QB's in 2K5 came even close doing it even though scrambling QB's have been around for quite some time now.

I agree somewhat, but some of those things are really amazing and there's a large amount that I'd love to see in Madden. God, I hope this game goes BC.

[Playmakers]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

Ive had CPU Qb's scramble on me all the time, and the bast@#%rds slide before i can take their heads off...LOL, but youre right i think we should give up and just play what we have now or just be happy with whatever EA puts out, i think some and myself are hoping EA takes it apon themselves to take Madden to another level, being that the have 100% of us who want to play football games at their bay (so to speak). but im begining to think its pointless as well.

I agree we all want more options and additions added to the game. But it's not going to happen atleast not this year. Is EA behind on alot of things......sure they are but what good would it do me to sit around and say man 2K had this in the game and EA still doesn't have it.

I doubt anyone at EA will really care how I feel about their lack of features or presentations. In their minds they are probably saying if you don't like it then don't buy it because we aren't going to change just for you. All I can do is accept it or not buy their product. Of course even with all the missing stuff I still purchased their product just like many others.....

[mgoblue]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

IMO, Superstar mode on Madden is now infinitely better than FPF on 2k5...it's the individual feel without the disorientation

[TeeDogg]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

I agree we all want more options and additions added to the game. But it's not going to happen atleast not this year. Is EA behind on alot of things......sure they are but what good would it do me to sit around and say man 2K had this in the game and EA still doesn't have it.

I doubt anyone at EA will really care how I feel about their lack of features or presentations. In their minds they are probably saying if you don't like it then don't buy it because we aren't going to change just for you. All I can do is accept it or not buy their product. Of course even with all the missing stuff I still purchased their product just like many others.....

I agree, the problem is i love video game football and if EA doesnt deliver, there goes one of my favorite "personal time, escape, unwind" hobbies. kinda like a guy who has been fishing for 15 years being told "now you can only fish with Bamboo rod and cork" you dont like it ? dont fish!!! LOL
but dont worry im realy close to giving up up fishing LOL

[TeeDogg]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

IMO, Superstar mode on Madden is now infinitely better than FPF on 2k5...it's the individual feel without the disorientation

FPF was just a gimick , i dont think it will ever be a true gameplay option. something just for kicks after a game gets old.

[CAJUN COMMISH]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

One thing Madden doesn't have that 2K4 and 2K5 had - super-human running backs.

This is truly the best fun I have had on an NFL game since 2K3 came out. The Right Stick gives you a little power on the run, but not too much. 2k4 and 2k5 reminded me of Techmo Bowl when Christian Okeye would go up the middle and defenders would fly in the air when he pounded through them.

[thehitokiri]

Re: What does NFL 2K5 have that Madden still doesn't have?

i got one that yall forgot to mention .very important challenge a play not only can you challenge a play on nfl 2k5 , you had the option to pick what you were challenging wether it was the spot of the ball , or the catch in madden you just pick challenge and they pick for you lol. No replays online??? you cant challenge a play online??? yo that is wack man. in madden i was trying to challenge the spot of the ball on a sideline catch and the computer automatically challenge the catch instead.????