Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

[FaceMask]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

You know, I get the enthusiasm but what could we give feedback on at this point? For all we know this could be an online card game. I think that’s unlikely but what I'm getting at is, until there is an actual game announcement I wouldn't really expect much community input. Not much we can say at this point since we know pretty much nothing. We have a twitter feed but until they announce something they can just tease. This is how it has to work. You only get one chance to really make an announcement splash so hopefully they don’t screw it up. There isn’t even an official website/forum yet.

All we know is that there is a football game that Joe Montana is tied to. What type of football game? When is the release date? We have no idea. Sit back relax and enjoy the ride.

BTW – I’m not sure if community input really does anything if a game isn’t in some sort of early access mode or public beta, but I digress.

I think it's been expressed pretty clearly a number of times that people are not looking to give feedback, there is nothing to give feedback on. They want to give input. These are two very different things.

It has to be understood that when a game is being developed there is a window of opportunity to implement specific requests from your fanbase. Once that window closes, it's over and next to nothing we say or do will make a difference other than minor tweaks, but for a team of guys who've never shipped a football game in the past, it stands to reason that getting input beforehand is going to give them the best chance of giving its fanbase what it's looking for.

The fact that they have a game coming in what will likely be summer and don't have any of those things (a forum, a website at all, nothing) is more cause for concern.

As for the public beta, I just don't even know how that makes sense honestly. All of that isn't necessary to just field ideas. You're over-thinking this.

I'd like to enjoy the ride, but there isn't even a vehicle to ride in. At this point, there isn't even a huffy to ride on.

[Gridiron]

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I wanted to add that these companies know what people want at this point that want an alternative to Madden.They're not that naive.It all depends on how far they want to go with it.2k didn't at the time.Maybe 8 years later they would.NM gave us more customization with Backbreaker but it was a sub par game of football with an irritating camera angle and players that all looked like cloned robots.

Nah man. If that were true that these companies knew what we wanted, APF and BackBreaker would've turned out different than they did. What we got there were companies who THOUGHT they knew what we wanted (NM and 2K went so far as to tell us what we wanted), and look how both games turned out. Two messes, APF being the better of the two. Just think of what woulda been different for BackBreaker had they not went ahead with forcing that camera angle? Or sticking with those goof-*** player models? People told them not to do it and they just refused to listen, but they did do a lot of other things people asked for, same thing with 2K, so we gotta give'em SOME credit.

But anyway direct input is better than indirect input cause you have a better shot at gettin your point across clear. Leaving it up to chance is just leaving it up to chance that they searched forums and understood everything and dont need any frame of reference or explanation. No point in leaving anything to chance when we have the internet and tons of free ways to communicate. These dudes just dont realize what theyre doin with this, thats all this really is.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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I tried to give feedback to the developer a couple weeks ago, yet no respond and I heard other people tried too also yet they haven't gotten any respond.

I gave up on that myself. I just respond if somebody else includes me in the conversation on Twitter.

If they have a very stick-to-a-single-vision approach it can either turn out great if the vision is great, or it can be an utter disaster if it's not. I see Blitz The League get mentioned here every now and again. That game had a great vision. Can a well thought out vision at that level be done again? Sure. But it's tough to expect lightning to strike twice considering how the number of other non-NFL licensed games with more experienced dev teams didn't quite make the grade.

[gr18]

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Nah man. If that were true that these companies knew what we wanted, APF and BackBreaker would've turned out different than they did. What we got there were companies who THOUGHT they knew what we wanted (NM and 2K went so far as to tell us what we wanted), and look how both games turned out. Two messes, APF being the better of the two. Just think of what woulda been different for BackBreaker had they not went ahead with forcing that camera angle? Or sticking with those goof-*** player models? People told them not to do it and they just refused to listen, but they did do a lot of other things people asked for, same thing with 2K, so we gotta give'em SOME credit.

But anyway direct input is better than indirect input cause you have a better shot at gettin your point across clear. Leaving it up to chance is just leaving it up to chance that they searched forums and understood everything and dont need any frame of reference or explanation. No point in leaving anything to chance when we have the internet and tons of free ways to communica?te. These dudes just dont realize what theyre doin with this, thats all this really is.

I'm all for direct input but I still stand by they know what we basically want and how far they want to go.2k had visions of still getting involved in the NFL license back in '07 and didn't want to go anywhere near pissing them off.NM was more worried about the technology and didn't know anything about football.It was more of a tech demo disguised as a football game.

[burnt_secondary]

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I'm all for direct input but I still stand by they know what we basically want and how far they want to go.2k had visions of still getting involved in the NFL license back in '07 and didn't want to go anywhere near pissing them off.NM was more worried about the technology and didn't know anything about football.It was more of a tech demo disguised as a football game.

^^^Yep. I totally agree with this. Backbreaker seemed to be a really good tech demo. I always wished they would have teamed up with 2K and figured out how to use that tech with a full 2K football game.

AP2k8 neutered themselves hoping for a future NFL license payoff that never came. (I still can't believe they didn't include franchise. I know why they didn't but still.)

Any developer knows the basic features that people want in a football game. If they don't, get a copy of 2k5 and AP2K8. Use the on the field action of 2k8 and the presentation of 2k5 with a working franchise and draft. (I think Madden 12 and a pretty good franchise but someone can correct me on that one.) Those are all huge items but that is what people expect. I'm sure the developers know this.

If the developers are delivering a football game that has the NFL license and no season/franchise and can only play a "Quick Game" but has good on the field play, well, no amount of input from potential customers is going to change the fact that they intended to release a limited game.

[burnt_secondary]

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Now just to be clear. There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to contribute, I just don't know how realistic it is for a company to respond before they have made an official announcement. I don't think anyone should be upset with not getting more of a response.

We don't know what type of game it is, what platform its on, or when it is intended to be released. We are all hoping for the best but we have no idea what this is.

If they are not prepared to tell us that information I don't think they will be able to discuss the input that you are giving them in anything other than a real cryptic manor. More than likely they are just going to stay silent.

I'm thankful we have a twitter feed but that itself is very cryptic.

[FaceMask]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

^^^Yep. I totally agree with this. Backbreaker seemed to be a really good tech demo. I always wished they would have teamed up with 2K and figured out how to use that tech with a full 2K football game.

AP2k8 neutered themselves hoping for a future NFL license payoff that never came. (I still can't believe they didn't include franchise. I know why they didn't but still.)

Any developer knows the basic features that people want in a football game. If they don't, get a copy of 2k5 and AP2K8. Use the on the field action of 2k8 and the presentation of 2k5 with a working franchise and draft. (I think Madden 12 and a pretty good franchise but someone can correct me on that one.) Those are all huge items but that is what people expect. I'm sure the developers know this.

If the developers are delivering a football game that has the NFL license and no season/franchise and can only play a "Quick Game" but has good on the field play, well, no amount of input from potential customers is going to change the fact that they intended to release a limited game.

Even a limited game can still use input. There really is no drawback from fielding ideas; you ask for them, you take them, say "thanks we'll review it", and then you see what you can do with it. Explore what you can do, throw away what you can't.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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Now just to be clear. There is nothing wrong with anyone wanting to contribute, I just don't know how realistic it is for a company to respond before they have made an official announcement. I don't think anyone should be upset with not getting more of a response.

We don't know what type of game it is, what platform its on, or when it is intended to be released. We are all hoping for the best but we have no idea what this is.

If they are not prepared to tell us that information I don't think they will be able to discuss the input that you are giving them in anything other than a real cryptic manor. More than likely they are just going to stay silent.

I'm thankful we have a twitter feed but that itself is very cryptic.

I think you're misunderstanding what's being meant of early input in this context.

There is no expectation of discussion from them about the input. That wouldn't make sense. We're talking about them simply taking the input and that's it.

I'll give you a perfect example of how this is done right, 2 examples actually:

- When 2K was just developing APF and we literally knew nothing about the game at that point, even less than we know about Joe Montana Football 16, 2K put up several official threads on their boards and they essentially did this: "Hey community! What team names do you want in the game? Post them here!" Simple, effective, people gave them, it worked. Done.

- Like others, I've sent some things to Madden devs on Twitter. Just recently I sent them game tapes on Twitter for Madden 16. They replied "Thanks for the input, we'll definitely review these." Simple, effective. Done.

No discussion was expected. Input was given, they took it, and now it's up to them. On a few occasions for Madden 15, some ideas wound up in the game from prior input just like that.

[MajorSupreme]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/558028792091148288

Yeah man.

[Gridiron]

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Dudes giving these Montana cats a pass right now, but let them come out with a game with flaming footballs and team names like the FatGuys and the Cheese Steaks and then watch this place go crazy with disappointment. Then it'll back to the hell of Madden.

Bet you then you'll be like "Damn, why didn't they ask for our input!" LOL!

[bringbacksimfootball]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Dudes giving these Montana cats a pass right now, but let them come out with a game with flaming footballs and team names like the FatGuys and the Cheese Steaks and then watch this place go crazy with disappointment. Then it'll back to the hell of Madden.

Bet you then you'll be like "Damn, why didn't they ask for our input!" LOL!

LOL!

[Segagendude]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/558028792091148288

Yeah man.

That's awesome, although it'll be hard to see all that under the helmet...

[mestevo]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/558028792091148288

Yeah man.

If anyone had 'I want to see what it looks like when 22+ players sweat realistically in wishlist bingo go get your daubers.

[RyanLaFalce]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/558028792091148288

Yeah man.

Crush Madden like bug

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[Big FN Deal]

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That's awesome, although it'll be hard to see all that under the helmet...

True which could me attention to detail for players on the sideline, for real animated sidelines.