Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

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Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

if everyone just follow my man damon grow on twitter.he should have some news around super bowl time there working on a rollout per damon grow's twitter. Give him a follow.

He said "around super give or take." So it's just more vague hurry up and wait stuff.

So much time wasted without input from gamers. I'm like this close to not caring anymore, so whatever they're doing they better make all of this having us waiting around without asking for our input worthwhile, for real.

[mestevo]

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Yeah, I see that now.

https://twitter.com/DamonGrow/status/556982487637704704

That's for 'more news' though, which could just be another render like the headshot.

[FaceMask]

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He said "around super give or take." So it's just more vague hurry up and wait stuff.

So much time wasted without input from gamers. I'm like this close to not caring anymore, so whatever they're doing they better make all of this having us waiting around without asking for our input worthwhile, for real.

I hear you.

At least Natural Motion pretended to care about our input, asking for ideas and then feedback only to ignore practically all of it including the camera angle bombshell that everybody told them not to force on us.

These guys with Joe Montana aren't even window-dressing like NM. They're just not asking at all, but like I said earlier--and I believe you touched on it as well--there comes a point in development when it's too late anyway.

We'll see how their choice impacts the game. I'm hoping for the best.

[RyanLR101]

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I hear you.

At least Natural Motion pretended to care about our input, asking for ideas and then feedback only to ignore practically all of it including the camera angle bombshell that everybody told them not to force on us.

These guys with Joe Montana aren't even window-dressing like NM. They're just not asking at all, but like I said earlier--and I believe you touched on it as well--there comes a point in development when it's too late anyway.

We'll see how their choice impacts the game. I'm hoping for the best.

Their doesn't need to be Q/A get input from you guys. UNFORTUNATELY, everyone on here is pretty vocal about there wants and needs.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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Their doesn't need to be Q/A get input from you guys. UNFORTUNATELY, everyone on here is pretty vocal about there wants and needs.

People are vocal about what they want from Madden, an NFL licensed game. This is completely different territory with different requirements and expectations.

I feel in agreement 100% with the sentiment that input needed to be fielded earlier. I asked Damon Grow myself about it and have been involved in a few Twitter discussions where others brought up the potential issues with their approach to this, but he never responds to it.

Based on his posts about community feedback, I think he understands there is a need for community involvement, but where they're making the mistake, and a crucial one, is thinking it all needs to come at the feedback stage (where tweaking is most known) rather than during the input stage (where the formation of development is most understood to be). Unless they somehow just by chance have it all figured out, they'll pay a heavy price for taking this approach. We've seen it happen before and that was with development teams who had storied track records behind them.

Interesting to note that I actually send and receive feedback on ideas and concepts from the Madden devs on Twitter on a regular basis. They read and respond. These guys working on Joe Montana Football are virtual unknowns who've never shipped a football game before or any other game as far as we can tell from the limited info we've gotten so far. They needed to give themselves every advantage they possibly could considering what they're up against.

I'm rooting for them, but I'm sorry, it's a big mistake not to draw from the communities early enough to be able to actually do something with the ideas.

[Big FN Deal]

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People are vocal about what they want from Madden, an NFL licensed game. This is completely different territory with different requirements and expectations.

I feel in agreement 100% with the sentiment that input needed to be fielded earlier. I asked Damon Grow myself about it and have been involved in a few Twitter discussions where others brought up the potential issues with their approach to this, but he never responds to it.

Based on his posts about community feedback, I think he understands there is a need for community involvement, but where they're making the mistake, and a crucial one, is thinking it all needs to come at the feedback stage (where tweaking is most known) rather than during the input stage (where the formation of development is most understood to be). Unless they somehow just by chance have it all figured out, they'll pay a heavy price for taking this approach. We've seen it happen before and that was with development teams who had storied track records behind them.

Interesting to note that I actually send and receive feedback on ideas and concepts from the Madden devs on Twitter on a regular basis. They read and respond. These guys working on Joe Montana Football are virtual unknowns who've never shipped a football game before or any other game as far as we can tell from the limited info we've gotten so far. They needed to give themselves every advantage they possibly could considering what they're up against.

I'm rooting for them, but I'm sorry, it's a big mistake not to draw from the communities early enough to be able to actually do something with the ideas.

The bold underlies the point I wanted to make, that requesting and even implementing gamer input doesn't always translate into improvements. I wouldn't mind if they took an approach of initially laying a foundation for real football, then at some later point or edition, asking for gamer feedback on things other than real football. One of my main frustrations with Madden over the years, has been the seeming willingness to ask gamer opinions on whether real football should be included or not, while seemingly ignoring gamer input where it has merit, like with options and settings.

All that aside, I don't really get this notion that they should be asking for gamer input, on a project that at this point gamers still don't know enough about to offer much, if any, specific suggestions for.

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I feel like this project was supposed to be a football fantasy app from IMFL (joe montana company) couple years ago, then they decided to do something bigger. I think this game could end up to be a disaster since it was suppose be a mobile app at first. The one problem with this whole situation is this company build up so much hype tweeting things like #morethanarosterupdate and #youwaitedlongenough. They said they care about the community input yet they are not asking us at all. It shouldn't take this long to announce if its a console. Console game or not this better be a good football game at least better than madden with that much hype. I don't know about you guys, but I am prepared to be let down.

[Gridiron]

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The bold underlies the point I wanted to make, that requesting and even implementing gamer input doesn't always translate into improvements. I wouldn't mind if they took an approach of initially laying a foundation for real football, then at some later point or edition, asking for gamer feedback on things other than real football.

There might not be a later point or edition though, player. I think people are concerned because its not like we got any other options and if this don't come as correct as we need it we might be out in the cold for who knows how many more years until another game comes.

All that aside, I don't really get this notion that they should be asking for gamer input, on a project that at this point gamers still don't know enough about to offer much, if any, specific suggestions for.

I disagree with that. You don't need to know all that to be able to tell them what team names you want in the game, players names, or the type of modes you want, or what type of customization features you want. At the end of the day they would either be able to do it or not be able to do it, but at least they'd have something to go on as far as what we want. By not at least doing that, they basically say they know what we want. Bad idea yo.

When 2K was making APF they did actually ask for team names and some other things and we knew even less about that game at the time than we do about JMF16, and a lot of what we gave them got into the game and its part of why people who play it loved it so much on the field, they listened to that. What effed them up was subpar graphics and no franchise mode or at least some kind of other interesting mode besides online. Nobody really asked for better graphics or a franchise mode cause we just assumed it would be there, but it wasn't and we got burnt.

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I think they haven't solicited for feedback because they're looking to deliver on their specific goal or vision. That and responding to some feedback may reveal more about the game than they want to right now or primary platform intentions (still expecting mobile-focus but w/ PC port or something).

I tracked down the shared office space he posted a picture of, wonder if they'll update their community page listing the company he's running/working for. It's a startup incubator, so almost almost completely rules out this being a 2k/EA endeavor.

[Gridiron]

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I think they haven't solicited for feedback because they're looking to deliver on their specific goal or vision. That and responding to some feedback may reveal more about the game than they want to right now or primary platform intentions (still expecting mobile-focus but w/ PC port or something).

I tracked down the shared office space he posted a picture of, wonder if they'll update their community page listing the company he's running/working for. It's a startup incubator, so almost almost completely rules out this being a 2k/EA endeavor.

The delivery/vision thing I get. But they don't have to respond to anything, all they have to do is ask. Set up a board, anything, just ask, that's all people want at this point. 2K did that and those cats were a legendary football developer. If it was good enough for them, should be good enough for an unknown upstart with no known history.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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They said they care about the community input yet they are not asking us at all.

Yeah, that's the part that never made sense to me either. I asked about it. No answer.

I hope they know what they're doing.

[bringbacksimfootball]

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The bold underlies the point I wanted to make, that requesting and even implementing gamer input doesn't always translate into improvements.

True, but there are a lot more channels for something to have to go through to get done on Madden considering the size of the game and the size of the development staff. Certainly, this Joe Montana project is dwarfed by comparison.

[burnt_secondary]

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You know, I get the enthusiasm but what could we give feedback on at this point? For all we know this could be an online card game. I think that’s unlikely but what I'm getting at is, until there is an actual game announcement I wouldn't really expect much community input. Not much we can say at this point since we know pretty much nothing. We have a twitter feed but until they announce something they can just tease. This is how it has to work. You only get one chance to really make an announcement splash so hopefully they don’t screw it up. There isn’t even an official website/forum yet.

All we know is that there is a football game that Joe Montana is tied to. What type of football game? When is the release date? We have no idea. Sit back relax and enjoy the ride.

BTW – I’m not sure if community input really does anything if a game isn’t in some sort of early access mode or public beta, but I digress.

[genocide]

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We have a twitter feed but until they announce something they can just tease. This is how it has to work. You only get one chance to really make an announcement splash so hopefully they don’t screw it up.

I hate to say it, but their twitter feed was the big announcement for them. If they are that early in development they should of kept quiet, instead of making these promises that hasn't been fulfilled. I tried to give feedback to the developer a couple weeks ago, yet no respond and I heard other people tried too also yet they haven't gotten any respond.

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Before APF came out,the 2k devs were pompous and deceiving to the point it left many very disappointed that were mainly offline gamers.They touted full customization that turned out to be very limited.Luckily the saving grace was that it provided a good game of football.

It really depends on what company is tied into the developement.Most initial versions are fairly limited and you see more options each year.Beyond the Sidelines dev is doing a bunch of Q&A but is pretty much saying that it isn't going to be anywhere near as deep as OOTP till several more iterations.

I wanted to add that these companies know what people want at this point that want an alternative to Madden.They're not that naive.It all depends on how far they want to go with it.2k didn't at the time.Maybe 8 years later they would.NM gave us more customization with Backbreaker but it was a sub par game of football with an irritating camera angle and players that all looked like cloned robots.