Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

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  • Hooe
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    • Aug 2002
    • 21554

    #526
    Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

    One problem, particularly with crowdsourced funding options such as Kickstarter or IndieGoGo, is that there is often a time limit to the funding operation. I think Kickstarter's max time limit for funding is in the neighborhood of a month. If the crowdfunding target isn't met in the time period, the developer gets zero dollars and everyone gets their money back.

    Having a strong first day on Kickstarter in particular is critical. Getting as many eyeballs and as many dollars committed to the project the very first day is mission-critical so it can snowball and pick up momentum and reach the funding target by the end of the time period.

    If you're talking about a more open model such as early access where gamers pay for early copies of in-dev games (most successfully done with Minecraft and Rust, and Darkest Dungeon is another good example) - something unfinished is somewhat expected (what's there still needs to be playable and relatively polished), but they need to get to a point where they have a playable and stable game first before opening that can of worms.

    Something that I don't know much about - if it's even possible - is funding game development via Patreon, in which users basically subscribe to artists and give money monthly towards the production of the artist's primary work in exchange for some sort of exclusive bonus content. No time limits or anything like that. I've most commonly seen this with web comic artists and Let's Play personalities recently, but I do wonder if it could be successfully applied to game development.

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    • Gridiron
      Banned
      • Jun 2008
      • 418

      #527
      Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

      At first I thought they were gonna crowdfund, but then after seeing them going over to Europe to "meet with the team" I got the impression these dudes are beyond the stage where they need crowdsourced dough, but ya never know.

      They look like they scrapped iMFL app at the last minute and some people were mad on another board, but to me its cool its whatever. It's their money and time so they can do whatever they want with it, and no matter what happens with this JMF16 joint good or bad, I'm still gonna give them props for tryna to do something. This is obviously crazy hard to do especially tryna do something sim. If it were easy we woulda had a buncha alternatives by now that were better than a couple goofy Tecmo Bowl knockoffs.

      They got quiet now, and I think they should stay quiet for a while until they have somethin more than guessing games for us, because to be honest that was wearin mad thin. No sense in talking to us if theyre not taking ideas and have nothing they want to show. Just come back when youre ready.
      Last edited by Gridiron; 02-20-2015, 06:01 PM.

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      • bringbacksimfootball
        Banned
        • Jan 2015
        • 203

        #528
        Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

        Originally posted by Gridiron
        At first I thought they were gonna crowdfund, but then after seeing them going over to Europe to "meet with the team" I got the impression these dudes are beyond the stage where they need crowdsourced dough, but ya never know.

        They look like they scrapped iMFL app at the last minute and some people were mad on another board, but to me its cool its whatever. It's their money and time so they can do whatever they want with it, and no matter what happens with this JMF16 joint good or bad, I'm still gonna give them props for tryna to do something. This is obviously crazy hard to do especially tryna do something sim. If it were easy we woulda had a buncha alternatives by now that were better than a couple goofy Tecmo Bowl knockoffs.

        They got quiet now, and I think they should stay quiet for a while until they have somethin more than guessing games for us, because to be honest that was wearin mad thin. No sense in talking to us if theyre not taking ideas and have nothing they want to show. Just come back when youre ready.
        Yeah, it was starting to feel like we were running in deep mud. I agree, they should just forget about us for awhile and do whatever it is they're going to do and come back when they're ready and comfortable with what they want to put out there. In the meantime, we'll live.

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        • kcsam
          Pro
          • Feb 2011
          • 676

          #529
          Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

          Just saw some Twitter chatter from Damon an hour ago. Someone asked how they were doing and he replied with, "getting close!"

          And then someone else asked what they've taken most from 2k5, and his response..

          @NYG_5 almost responded to this but just know we love the game it's the truth

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          • roadman
            *ll St*r
            • Aug 2003
            • 26339

            #530
            Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

            Grow knows who the audience is, that is a given.

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            • MossMan84
              Banned
              • Nov 2013
              • 128

              #531
              Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

              Hopefully this game has been in development for at least a couple years by now! Why just start a game up 10yrs too late; they should have been working all this time on a game that will devastate madden even without a NFL license! Football is king in the sports world and if you build a crazy good game, people will notice and word will spread fast on the net! Yes people want a NFL game and once word gets back to the NFL that this game is crushing madden then it wont be long b4 sheet changes. It wont take much to conquer the hapless game we call madden. I just cant believe no one had the vision or talent to already see what we all been dying for: a crazy sick football game!

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              • bringbacksimfootball
                Banned
                • Jan 2015
                • 203

                #532
                Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                Originally posted by MossMan84
                I just cant believe no one had the vision or talent to already see what we all been dying for: a crazy sick football game!
                Don't believe it, because it's not true. Companies aren't at fault. The real issue is that gamers simply didn't spend money on anything that wasn't NFL and AAA (with the exception of Blitz The League). Developers saw that and smartly decided not to invest in that endeavor.

                This JMF 16 project is a big risk, and it's going to need to be near perfect and hit every mark to have a chance. That's why handling things the way they have is such a big question mark since they announced it.

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                • kjcheezhead
                  MVP
                  • May 2009
                  • 3118

                  #533
                  Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                  Originally posted by bringbacksimfootball
                  Don't believe it, because it's not true. Companies aren't at fault. The real issue is that gamers simply didn't spend money on anything that wasn't NFL and AAA (with the exception of Blitz The League). Developers saw that and smartly decided not to invest in that endeavor.

                  This JMF 16 project is a big risk, and it's going to need to be near perfect and hit every mark to have a chance. That's why handling things the way they have is such a big question mark since they announced it.
                  I think your first paragraph is spot on, but I disagree that JMF isn't handling things right. If you're making a SIM console game, all the info is right here. You can read what people love and hate about 2k, madden, blitz and backbreaker. Then they just make a game from that.

                  Staying quiet and low key in the beginning is smart in development of a game like this. They are up against Madden which has all the resources, real players and teams. If word gets out that JMF is doing a story based my player game like NBA2Ks, I guarantee Madden would feature a new and improved my player mode in 16...and look you have real nfl teams and players in their game! It's how they operate. APF lead to player weapons in madden 08. Backbreaker lead to new physics in madden the next year.

                  JMF 16 is doing a smart thing by keeping their head down and mouth shut through this part of the cycle. Pretty soon it will be too late for Madden to change directions and that's when it'll be safe for then to show off what JMF is all about.

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                  • kjcheezhead
                    MVP
                    • May 2009
                    • 3118

                    #534
                    Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                    Originally posted by roadman
                    Grow knows who the audience is, that is a given.
                    It's also great news for us. The audience he is dealing with isn't interested in mobile games at all. Every tweet like that gets me a little more excited about what this game could possibly be.

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                    • bringbacksimfootball
                      Banned
                      • Jan 2015
                      • 203

                      #535
                      Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                      Originally posted by kjcheezhead
                      I think your first paragraph is spot on, but I disagree that JMF isn't handling things right. If you're making a SIM console game, all the info is right here. You can read what people love and hate about 2k, madden, blitz and backbreaker. Then they just make a game from that.

                      Staying quiet and low key in the beginning is smart in development of a game like this. They are up against Madden which has all the resources, real players and teams. If word gets out that JMF is doing a story based my player game like NBA2Ks, I guarantee Madden would feature a new and improved my player mode in 16...and look you have real nfl teams and players in their game! It's how they operate. APF lead to player weapons in madden 08. Backbreaker lead to new physics in madden the next year.

                      JMF 16 is doing a smart thing by keeping their head down and mouth shut through this part of the cycle. Pretty soon it will be too late for Madden to change directions and that's when it'll be safe for then to show off what JMF is all about.
                      Most of that is beside the point I'm making. Of course they shouldn't reveal their features until the promotional cycle begins. I'm talking about how they've chosen to engage with and draw from their fanbase since revealing this development last year. Also, I doubt they're early in development at this point. If the game is coming sometime in the 3rd quarter of this year (July, August, September) which is expected, then they are actually very late in the development stage now.

                      We've discussed this before and we have a difference of opinion on how they should've been engaging and drawing from us all of this time. I don't believe indirect feedback is useless, but I don't believe it is as powerful as direct, intently focused feedback. In the end, what winds up in the final product is going to determine who was right or wrong, and I hope I am dead wrong.

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                      • kjcheezhead
                        MVP
                        • May 2009
                        • 3118

                        #536
                        Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                        Originally posted by bringbacksimfootball
                        Most of that is beside the point I'm making. Of course they shouldn't reveal their features until the promotional cycle begins. I'm talking about how they've chosen to engage with and draw from their fanbase since revealing this development last year. Also, I doubt they're early in development at this point. If the game is coming sometime in the 3rd quarter of this year (July, August, September) which is expected, then they are actually very late in the development stage now.

                        We've discussed this before and we have a difference of opinion on how they should've been engaging and drawing from us all of this time. I don't believe indirect feedback is useless, but I don't believe it is as powerful as direct, intently focused feedback. In the end, what winds up in the final product is going to determine who was right or wrong, and I hope I am dead wrong.
                        They were demoing the game at the super bowl. Who is to say it hasn't been demoed elsewhere. I'm sure they got a lot of useful feedback from events like that. He also gave a shout out to Ryan Moody, very possible he's been able to offer feedback too.

                        And like I said, it's not just JMFs development cycle that's important. Maddens is too. A small start up game like this can't risk showing their hand too soon.

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                        • FaceMask
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2013
                          • 847

                          #537
                          Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                          Originally posted by kjcheezhead
                          They were demoing the game at the super bowl. Who is to say it hasn't been demoed elsewhere. I'm sure they got a lot of useful feedback from events like that. He also gave a shout out to Ryan Moody, very possible he's been able to offer feedback too.

                          And like I said, it's not just JMFs development cycle that's important. Maddens is too. A small start up game like this can't risk showing their hand too soon.
                          No one is asking them to show their hand. His post is talking about something totally different.

                          On the flipside, if they demoed it at the Super Bowl then that's showing your hand unless it was a very closed-door NDA-only event. Now, if it wasn't a closed-door NDA-only event then you have to worry a bit because nobody who has seen it has said a word about it and that could mean it wasn't good enough to say anything about it. I hope that's not the case.

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                          • roadman
                            *ll St*r
                            • Aug 2003
                            • 26339

                            #538
                            Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                            I thought I heard they weren't ready for a demo at the SB?

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                            • mestevo
                              Gooney Goo Goo
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 19556

                              #539
                              Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                              From how it was portrayed the demo was canceled at the 11th hour and they were then delayed. We were supposed to get info around SB time too but didn't.

                              Maybe they sat down with Joe just prior and decided to go another direction.

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                              • FaceMask
                                Banned
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 847

                                #540
                                Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

                                Only thing I could find was this Twitter exchange:

                                Feb 1
                                tariqmma ‏@tariqmma
                                @DamonGrow @G_ROB_80 @GeDDeN7 @PocketPasser9 @tazdevil20 what you guys showed didnt go well?

                                Damon Grow
                                ‏@DamonGrow
                                @tariqmma @G_ROB_80 @GeDDeN7 @PocketPasser9 @tazdevil20 no the demoing is fine just not ready to go public just yet

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