Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

[Gridiron]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Seems like the condescending type are out today. First I ask a simple honest question. I get a long answer with a lot of assumptions then I get you calling my question bad.

Last I checked if someone doesn't know something or would like someone to provide proof/clarification of a statement it isn't bad.

Next time I'll make sure and run my question by you guys just to make sure they are good enough.

But your question was condescending because you know nobody can pull out a contract or get one of the players to come and speak here about it and thats the only "proof" there could be of something like that. Or maybe you really just don't know about these things so you didnt mean it to be condescending. On the real though, I think his answer was perfectly fitting. Its obvious these old players are working with contracts, its just common sense man, I find it hard to believe you wouldnt understand that.

Some things in life are too obvious and common knowledge to need "proof". Like water is wet, ya know. This contract thing is probably almost just as common knowledge just from living in this society everyday and understanding how money moves.

[jyoung]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Once pro athletes retire, they are no longer a part of their league's players association.

That's why whenever old sports games are re-released (like the NHL 94 port that EA included on NHL 2006), the players' names have to be removed from the roster.

The easiest way to get retired players into a sports video game these days is to sign a deal with a sports' hall of fame. That way you can use all of the players who are a part of the hall of fame without having to individually negotiate a deal for each player. That's what EA has done recently for their NHL and Madden NFL games. The majority of retired legends that appear in those games are hall of fame members.

I don't know whether or not EA's current deal with the pro football hall of fame is exclusive. It was signed a few years ago, though.

[Gridiron]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

How did my question make it seem I forgot it was a business? Obviously I know they have a licensing agreement with the legends that are in the current game but, how exclusive is it? Also is is just for this year or multiple years.

I still haven't seen anything that prove 2k couldn't have the same legends in a new hypothetical game. That was the intent of my question.

I think it would be a bad idea to make a game like that though.

Dude never said he knew the terms though yo. What dude is saying is that we shouldn't get our hopes up for that because of how EA does business. Over the past decade, when has EA ever done anything with football that wasn't exclusive? Never right? So why should we hope for that to be different now? And even if its not exclusive its not like they couldnt have a noncompete clause. Man, EA is not gonna make this easy on anybody. If the past decade hasnt shown that I dont know what will. They were in recorded meetings plotting ways to prevent 2K from making another legends game, and you can still find direct quotes online about it. This is serious yo.

Me personally, I don't care about legends one way or the other. If they gonna be in, cool, if not, cool. I just want a new game that can be customized and then I'm straight.

[charter04]

Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Once pro athletes retire, they are no longer a part of their league's players association.

That's why whenever old sports games are re-released (like the NHL 94 port that EA included on NHL 2006), the players' names have to be removed from the roster.

The easiest way to get retired players into a sports video game these days is to sign a deal with a sports' hall of fame. That way you can use all of the players who are a part of the hall of fame without having to individually negotiate a deal for each player. That's what EA has done recently for their NHL and Madden NFL games. The majority of retired legends that appear in those games are hall of fame members.

I don't know whether or not EA's current deal with the pro football hall of fame is exclusive. It was signed a few years ago, though.

Good grief. Thank you. That was info I was looking for. Lol.

Obviously I wasn't looking for a legal document. I was just trying wrap my head around what kind of agreement was made.

It is still possible for another game to make a similar agreement. That is all I was getting at.

The thing I originally was responding to was a comment that made it seem like it would be impossible to get the same players that EA has as far as legends. I was just trying to figure out how we know that for sure.

Thanks for the info


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Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Dude never said he knew the terms though yo. What dude is saying is that we shouldn't get our hopes up for that because of how EA does business. Over the past decade, when has EA ever done anything with football that wasn't exclusive? Never right? So why should we hope for that to be different now? And even if its not exclusive its not like they couldnt have a noncompete clause. Man, EA is not gonna make this easy on anybody. If the past decade hasnt shown that I dont know what will. They were in recorded meetings plotting ways to prevent 2K from making another legends game, and you can still find direct quotes online about it. This is serious yo.



Me personally, I don't care about legends one way or the other. If they gonna be in, cool, if not, cool. I just want a new game that can be customized and then I'm straight.

Yea your probably right. I don't think it's worth it to have them in at this point.

I think a generic ncaa/profootball type game with total editing abilities with easy to use online team maker/player editing capabilities is the ticket. It wouldn't cost near as much.

Just give us 2k gameplay.

Also a great franchise type mode like 2k college hoops


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[Gridiron]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Once pro athletes retire, they are no longer a part of their league's players association.

That's why whenever old sports games are re-released (like the NHL 94 port that EA included on NHL 2006), the players' names have to be removed from the roster.

The easiest way to get retired players into a sports video game these days is to sign a deal with a sports' hall of fame. That way you can use all of the players who are a part of the hall of fame without having to individually negotiate a deal for each player. That's what EA has done recently for their NHL and Madden NFL games. The majority of retired legends that appear in those games are hall of fame members.

I don't know whether or not EA's current deal with the pro football hall of fame is exclusive. It was signed a few years ago, though.

2K signed each legend individually instead of going through the HOF and players who were dead had deals done through their foundations, so there are other ways.

[Gridiron]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Yea your probably right. I don't think it's worth it to have them in at this point.

I think a generic ncaa/profootball type game with total editing abilities with easy to use online team maker/player editing capabilities is the ticket. It wouldn't cost near as much.

Just give us 2k gameplay.

Also a great franchise type mode like 2k college hoops


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Yeah, I agree man, cause 2K talked about how high the cost was to get them all in APF. They never gave a number but the way they put it they made it crystal that it wasn't cheap or easy. So many articles from back then yo, I wish they were all still online so many of those sites died out since 07 though.

To me, all you need is one good spokesman and youre set. I remember how good Lawrence Taylor was for Blitz. Madden was always just himself, one legend. Montana was always just one guy in his old games. Those games all went big cause they were fun games with good features and the marketing was tight. It can be done again.

[jyoung]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

O.J. Simpson cost Take-Two $50,000 for his two-year contract, and he was just one player out of All Pro Football's 248 legends.

Visual Concepts ended up wasting a ton of time, money, and manpower getting all those guys signed, when instead, they could have simply put out a completely generic title and likely sold about as many copies as APF 2K8 did.

[MajorSupreme]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Not sure how many heard the Sim Standard Radio Show from last night, but when Damon Grow got on and started talking about the importance of the Sim Community, and the need for competition for there to be innovation, the only thing in my head was that "how will a mobile game bring any competition"? And then one of the hosts (AzureEffect I think) said straight up that if after all this hype, and the game turns out to be mobile, you lost. Maybe some people will buy it as a time waster, but to talk about this "competition" and "#morethanarosterupdate" and the such would be the ultimate letdown. Beyond ultimate. Unforgivable haha.

I always enjoy the hype stuff like this brings, regardless of it's fruition or not. All that business with 2K Football earlier this year? Loved it, loved the hope and intuitiveness I saw from many around here and on social network. Way too early to say if anything decent can truly come from this. Hell, if it is for consoles, it won't be an immediate competitor to Madden off the bat (most likely). Damon Green said more information is coming soon, and I've never hawked someone's twitter so hard haha.

[mestevo]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

I think that he's doing his best to say and do all of the right things without showing his hand and playing well to those who will listen (the 'Madden needs a competitor' crowd and also abstractly talking up quality and sim to the guys on the radio show)... so that when they do reveal it is for the tablet they have a substantial bit of other information they can point to and show why they're going to change your mind about it automatically being a non-starter.

I'd love a sim experience on my phone/tablet, but motion capture on those platforms means nothing to me. Just not looking for some simulation football play on my phone, it's a different medium. I'd want a Football GM game or something.

Best case assuming it isn't on the current gen consoles is probably tablet + Fire/Apple TV, Ouya, etc. Maybe PC.

[MajorSupreme]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

I think that he's doing his best to say and do all of the right things without showing his hand and playing well to those who will listen (the 'Madden needs a competitor' crowd and also abstractly talking up quality and sim to the guys on the radio show)... so that when they do reveal it is for the tablet they have a substantial bit of other information they can point to and show why they're going to change your mind about it automatically being a non-starter.

I'd love a sim experience on my phone/tablet, but motion capture on those platforms means nothing to me. Just not looking for some simulation football play on my phone, it's a different medium. I'd want a Football GM game or something.

Best case assuming it isn't on the current gen consoles is probably tablet + Fire/Apple TV, Ouya, etc. Maybe PC.

If it comes out on PC, I'm buying 7 copies. I've wanted a PC football game for YEARS.

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Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

I would love it to be on PC. That would be awesome. I'm not sure if that will hurt sales but, it would cost a lot less if they did a download only PC game that you could buy on the 2k site or steam.

Having it on PC would open up so many more moding possibilities. I assume this would be something they would have to be on board with or why put out a fb game at all.

I can't imagine a tablet game doing well.

[mestevo]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

It's almost certainly not 2k. It's been in motion for a while, the developer is in San Francisco, and 2k only just established a studio in that area last week.

I think we can almost certainly expect a mobile/tablet game (something the lone known developer has been affiliated with in the past), low cost w/ in-app purchases or something.

That being said, more and more mobile games are making their way to Steam and other platforms. I'd expect focus on just a single effort/platform for the initial release, and given what little we know all signs point to mobile in some form.

[Gridiron]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

Ouya wouldn't be the worst idea. I just wonder if that Tegra 3 can handle what theyre tryna do. Either Ouya or Madcatz Mojo. I think the Mojo has a Tegra 4 in it.

Don't matter though. If they come correct, I'll buy whatever its on. I want a custom football game so bad man, I don't even care. I'm down for whatever.

[RyanLR101]

Re: Joe Montana Football 16 Looks to be a Mobile Game, Utilizing Unreal Engine 4

So you're telling me there's a chance!?

There is only 1 solid lead, and that is a developer working on the game: https://twitter.com/DamonGrow

Who's entire work history on linkedin revolves around mobile/social games.

He just said that there will be dynamic weather in the game, and called into the 2 hour SimFBCritic radio show yesterday: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/simstan...standard-radio (haven't listened, if there was anything exciting to report it would have been already I'd expect)

Something is coming, they've done nothing but give us anything to be hopeful or get excited about so far though.

Edit: Figured there’d be some kind of recap (I can’t stand to listen to these guys for the most part), and skipped to around 1:45, and they absolutely hammer the guy about the potential of it being mobile/tablet only. He ends up just kinda opting out of the question because Montana is the one that will be releasing any information.

It looks like Damon worked on a different game for Joe. https://angel.co/social-mobile-sports


I started to get nervous till I found his page.