The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

[mestevo]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

The part of your argument I'm not understanding is if there are NDA's signed how can you or anyone else know for a fact one way or another 2K's potential involvement? Please explain how you or anyone else got around the NDA's?

You're not getting more than they've given, take it in the context of some well connected members and administrators of the forum, and if you doubt that over what is essentially a lot of vague pandering we're getting from the few official sources of the game that's on each person to decide.

The rest is a semantics argument 'for a fact' etc, when you know they can't give you names, dates, and details of conversations with people they've talked to relating to 2k's potential involvement. Sure, that doesn't mean it's 100% a verifiable a thing, but if that's what arguments are going to hinge off of you've got an uphill battle to objectively convince anyone.

[Hooe]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

I wonder could we just cut it out with the "for fact 2k is NOT involved" when none of us know this for sure.

On the contrary, we do know for sure.

We have people who have spoken the OS forum staff whose sources do know for sure that 2K is not involved.

We trust these people because of the nature of their sources and that these people have proven trustworthy over several years with respect to this sort of information.

The sources remain confidential as to protect them and their ability to provide us information. This is fairly standard practice when dealing with information from people holding in-the-know positions dealing with sensitive information and trade secrets.

Unless and until there is definitive information in the opposite direction - that is, a first- or third-party outlet confirming that 2K is involved with Joe Montana Football - the best legitimate information that we have from sources we trust says that 2K is not involved. Given the lack of sources firmly stating the opposite, positing that 2K is involved with the game is baseless speculation and is not grounds for discussion in this thread as stated in Millennium's original post:

- Speculation. We don't know what we don't know. Don't go insane. Small reaches are okay, but if something isn't confirmed, better to leave it out of this thread.

- Confirmed information. HAVE PROOF. Not "I heard this here". Post pictures. Post links. Not " So and so alluded to this part of the game here, but he didn't actually say it".

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The part of your argument I'm not understanding is if there are NDA's signed how can you or anyone else know for a fact one way or another 2K's potential involvement? Please explain how you or anyone else got around the NDA's?

2K and VC employees aren't bound to any NDAs regarding Joe Montana Football since 2K and VC are in-fact not working on Joe Montana Football.

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tl;dr - 2K isn't working on JMF as per our sources, and any unsourced speculation with respect to 2K's direct involvement in the production of the game is baseless and not grounds for discussion in this thread per the rules in the OP, until that information is relayed from a trusted source.

[tsbmolina]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

On the contrary, we do know for sure.

We have people who have spoken the OS forum staff whose sources do know for sure that 2K is not involved.

We trust these people because of the nature of their sources and that these people have proven trustworthy over several years with respect to this sort of information.

The sources remain confidential as to protect them and their ability to provide us information. This is fairly standard practice when dealing with information from people holding in-the-know positions dealing with sensitive information and trade secrets.

Unless and until there is definitive information in the opposite direction - that is, a first- or third-party outlet confirming that 2K is involved with Joe Montana Football - the best legitimate information that we have from sources we trust says that 2K is not involved. Given the lack of sources firmly stating the opposite, positing that 2K is involved with the game is baseless speculation and is not grounds for discussion in this thread as stated in Millennium's original post:



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2K and VC employees aren't bound to any NDAs regarding Joe Montana Football since 2K and VC are in-fact not working on Joe Montana Football.

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tl;dr - 2K isn't working on JMF as per our sources, and any unsourced speculation with respect to 2K's direct involvement in the production of the game is baseless and not grounds for discussion in this thread per the rules in the OP, until that information is relayed from a trusted source.

A bit contradictory because if 2K and VC employees aren't bound to any NDAs regarding Joe Montana Football since 2K and VC are in-fact not working on Joe Montana Football then why are the sources remaining confidential if there is nothing to get in trouble by denying there involvement because they are in fact not involved. So there not being involved is secret to, lol?

[mestevo]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

A bit contradictory because if 2K and VC employees aren't bound to any NDAs regarding Joe Montana Football since 2K and VC are in-fact not working on Joe Montana Football then why are the sources remaining confidential if there is nothing to get in trouble by denying there involvement because they are in fact not involved. So there not being involved is secret to, lol?

It's in what you quoted, NDA or not.

The sources remain confidential as to protect them and their ability to provide us information. This is fairly standard practice when dealing with information from people holding in-the-know positions dealing with sensitive information and trade secrets.

[Hooe]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

As to make myself clear:

It is plenty evident that Damon Grow and his crew are using 2K football games as inspiration, what with as much as he tweets about what 2K has done in the past and his frequent visiting of an APF2K8-focused Twitch stream. How his team may do things in their game using 2K games as inspiration is a fair point of discussion.

Anything directly connecting 2K and Joe Montana Football without a reputable source making that connection and reporting it as fact is not grounds for discussion.

This is my last post on the matter and we will be moving on to a new topic of discussion now, as per the guidelines of this thread laid out by Millennium, the forum administrator.

[tsbmolina]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

It's in what you quoted, NDA or not.

Why would not being involved in the development of a game be a secret? Makes no sense.

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Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

I promise you are one of the guys set up for one of the biggest troll jobs ever and its not even funny.

[tsbmolina]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

I promise you are one of the guys set up for one of the biggest troll jobs ever and its not even funny.

I'm really not setting myself up for that just playing devils advocate here. The point is you yourself not being able to divulge information about your inside contact is just as much of a troll job as that guy who posted the original story about 2K's involvement. Without any credible fact based information with names involved everyone is a potential troll as far as I'm concerned.

[roadman]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

I'm really not setting myself up for that just playing devils advocate here. The point is you yourself not being able to divulge information about your inside contact is just as much of a troll job as that guy who posted the original story about 2K's involvement. Without any credible fact based information with names involved everyone is a potential troll as far as I'm concerned.

Eh, not really, it boils down to a person with one random post vs OS staff who I've known on the net for several years.

In my opinion, it's not close, but, to each their own.

[tsbmolina]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

Eh, not really, it boils down to a person with one post vs OS staff who I've known on the net for several years.

In my opinion, it's not close, but, to each their own.

Are you saying OS staff has been infallible in all of there history. I can remember when All Pro Football came out of nowhere. Where were their contacts then to let us now about that game before it became official?

[Branchurian]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

Here we go...another piss contest. Let's just wait for the info, all will be revealed in due time. Hell we waited a got damn decade for some change, another few months weren't hurt. Not to say that I don't sympthasize with the frastruation because I'm not happy with EA at all & sincerely rooting for this. But all this speculation has got to stop!

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Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

Are you saying OS staff has been infallible in all of there history. I can remember when All Pro Football came out of nowhere. Where were their contacts then to let us now about that game before it became official?

OK look

Either post on the topic or you'll get a warning card simple as that.

There has been enough of them already, and I don't care what you think vs what I know. You don't have to accept it if you don't want to, that's on you.

[tsbmolina]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

OK look

Either post on the topic or you'll get a warning card simple as that.

There has been enough of them already, and I don't care what you think vs what I know. You don't have to accept it if you don't want to, that's on you.

Ok, I will take your knowledge as gospel but all I'm saying is if your wrong......

[jp7588]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

How about those helmets, guys?

[Culture Rot]

Re: The Joe Montana Football 16 Thread

Is 2K making this