Your very own camera argument thread.

[hatisback]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Why? Why would you even care?

The devs saying one thing is great. But no one really knew how well it would work out till we get our hands on it. If we don't like the way it turned out we're just supposed to do nothing? We're just supposed to post glowing reviews only?

Of course not. Nobody is making you buy the game. Itd be different if Natural Motion put a gun to your head and told you to buy it. Thats what capitalism is. If you like the product then buy it. If you dont like the product then dont buy it.

[lofeazy]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

It is in my opinion. Is that not what we are discussing when breaking down the demo? People's opinions?

I mean really. You really want to argue that lack of options is a good thing? Seriously? You have no stake in this games success, yet you talk down anyone who has less than glowing things to say about the game. I mean, damn, wanting options in a game that is supposed to be super customizable is a bad thing? Do you read what you are writing?

Why you don't like the camera angle?(You seem so intent to having a 10 yard fight cam.)I just want to know your reason?

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Of course not. Nobody is making you buy the game. Itd be different if Natural Motion put a gun to your head and told you to buy it. Thats what capitalism is. If you like the product then buy it. If you dont like the product, then dont buy it.

No one made anyone buy any other game here either. But their merits and weaknesses still get discussed. Should we just shut down all discussion forums then? Of course since you believe so adamantly against choice for the users, maybe this is what you want.

If you only want to read positive posts and praise for the product you've decided to blindly defend at all costs, you're probably going to be disappointed with internet discussion boards..

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Why you don't like the camera angle?(You seem so intent to having a 10 yard fight cam.)I just want to know your reason?

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It's too zoomed in. It doesn't allow for peripheral vision. The field of vison is too narrow. Due to how low it is, depth perception is a real problem, particularly down the field. It's difficult to replicate depth of objects from that low of an angle on a 2d medium.

[kehlis]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

No one made anyone buy any other game here either. But their merits and weaknesses still get discussed. Should we just shut down all discussion forums then? Of course since you believe so adamantly against choice for the users, maybe this is what you want.

If you only want to read positive posts and praise for the product you've decided to blindly defend at all costs, you're probably going to be disappointed with internet discussion boards..

The hypocrisy in here is unreal...

[hatisback]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

No one made anyone buy any other game here either. But their merits and weaknesses still get discussed. Should we just shut down all discussion forums then? Of course since you believe so adamantly against choice for the users, maybe this is what you want.

If you only want to read positive posts and praise for the product you've decided to blindly defend at all costs, you're probably going to be disappointed with internet discussion boards..

Im not defending anything at all costs. Just read my impressions posts and youll see that. Im not against choice either. The devs said what you were going to get, and guess what? You got it. Now, if they were to say that there would be multiple angles and we only got two, then yeah.......Id be up in arms about it too.

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Im not defending anything at all costs. Just read my impressions posts and youll see that. Im not against choice either. The devs said what you were going to get, and guess what? You got it. Now, if they were to say that there would be multiple angles and we only got two, then yeah.......Id be up in arms about it too.

What the devs said is irrelevant to people opinions and desires for the game. Because the devs said it was going to be one way, doesn't mean they are exempt from criticism or wants from the consumer base.

[kehlis]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Im not defending anything at all costs. Just read my impressions posts and youll see that. Im not against choice either. The devs said what you were going to get, and guess what? You got it. Now, if they were to say that there would be multiple angles and we only got two, then yeah.......Id be up in arms about it too.

This is the argument that doesn't make sense.

Are we not allowed to criticize a devs decision?

[lofeazy]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

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It's too zoomed in. It doesn't allow for peripheral vision. The field of vison is too narrow. Due to how low it is, depth perception is a real problem, particularly down the field. It's difficult to replicate depth of objects from that low of an angle on a 2d medium.

Thats a good reason for you.But I disagree with you.

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

The hypocrisy in here is unreal...

It really is.. MLB 2k8 got absolutely crucified for it's one camera angle, as did Madden and NCAA.. Yet because this is the devs "artistic vision" they are somehow supposed to be immune from any and all non glowing comments.

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

Thats a good reason.But I disagree with you.

And that's fine I have no problem with people who like the camera or disagree with me. If there were multiple camera angles we could both play with a camera view we liked instead of just one of us enjoying it.

[kehlis]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

And that's fine I have no problem with people who like the camera or disagree with me. If there were multiple camera angles we could both play with a camera view we liked instead of just one of us enjoying it.

I still don't get how people don't understand this or are arguing with this.


The whole debate is unreal. Never once has anyone asked to take out the current camera. How is anyone opposed to options?

I just dont get it...(aside from the agendas...I do get that and it isn't surprising).

[bkrich83]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

The whole debate is unreal. Never once has anyone asked to take out the current camera. How is anyone opposed to options?

I just dont get it...

Because the devs said this was the way it was going to be!!!

[gridironjunky]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

I do not blindly support backbreaker. The game has many flaws ( AI, unresponsive controls at times and just an absolute terrible replay system ) also I love madden football and have religiously played the game for years. The game was built to provide the user with a first person perspective gaming experience. I support this. The camera is not perfect and could use a little tweaking but in my opinion it does the best job I've ever seen of putting the user in the middle of the action. I understand why people want options and I believe with the game having the buzz it has the devs will put in the traditional "10 yard fight" cam. I personally would rather not see this as I think it will water down the product and not separate the game from any other future football games.

[TreFacTor]

Re: Your very own camera argument thread.

A lot of BackBreaker supporters are getting the wrong idea. No matter what camera the game is played from, Euphoria is the engine driving the action. What harm could alternate controls and camera present. It would be the same game, the same great tackles, hits etc. Just because you can see more of the field doesn't mean the action will be less fantastic. Will it be easier to read the defense? More than likely yes, but the plays are generic and limited as it is All you really need to know is how many linebackers are on the field... that's it nothing more. Hell I just figured out that the slot receiver and tight end are devastating receivers out of the single back set. The computer always blitzes that set, so all you ahve to do is hit the slot or TE.

Tighter customizable controls would invite more footballers to play the game as would another camera option, it doesn't even have to be GOD CAM. Or do the BackBreaker fans want another 2K8 where people just couldn't get into it, and they didn't make another? Or is it that BackBreaker fans want to be elitists? You only want people that "get it" in your circle?

The game in it's current state is far too easy even with the controls and current camera. Within 3 hours I was easily scoring 24 points on pro. It's really easy to read the defense because there are so few plays! The more footballers Natural Motion and 505 can get to enjoy the game, the better it is for them

One thing I would like to state, is that the current camera does some weird things even when you are using the focus button. I threw a nice lob 50 yards down the field, and I had a linebacker and saftey in hot pursuit, as I got to the 10 yard line or so, I saw a shadow, so I let go of the aggressive button, and pressed the focus button. I got hit from behind, and I attempted a spin move. The camera swung around wildly and I was facing the wrong way. I actually lost yardage because of it. It was disorienting. Even if they don't change the camera at all some of you have to admit that it could use some tightening. I would be ecstatic if they just tighten it so that it doesn't swivel wildly. And I think that is what they were going for. They wanted you to be limited by what you see so that when you are hit, it's surprising... mission accomplished because some times I don't know what the camera is going to do.

Choice is only bad when you have so many that you procrastinate on making a decision, any decision. It could serve BackBreaker well IMHO.