Doug Flutie's Maximum Football 2019 Development Thread

[booker21]

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Do you know if you will be able to share team uniforms customization? I know NCAA said no roster sharing, but what about uniforms?

[Spear]

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will there be multiple saves of the dynasty or just one save file

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5 Dynasty Saves.

[Spear]

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Do you know if you will be able to share team uniforms customization? I know NCAA said no roster sharing, but what about uniforms?

Good question. Based upon our discussions I would think that it would fall under the same category.

[booker21]

Doug Flutie's Maximum Football 2019 Development Thread

Good question. Based upon our discussions I would think that it would fall under the same category.

Uh that sucks. I’m not seeing myself editing 120 uniforms lol.

Glad is still an option though.

Any plans on adding coop (2 players on same team)in the future?


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[baconbits11]

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Do you know if you will be able to share team uniforms customization? I know NCAA said no roster sharing, but what about uniforms?

Why can the NCAA say if you can share rosters? Are you partnering with the NCAA or using NCAA trademarks? If not, then I don't see why they can dictate anything. If you are, then maybe that's not a good decision to have the NCAA at all.

[TheShizNo1]

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I doubt they care to run into a lawsuit.

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[Spear]

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Why can the NCAA say if you can share rosters? Are you partnering with the NCAA or using NCAA trademarks? If not, then I don't see why they can dictate anything. If you are, then maybe that's not a good decision to have the NCAA at all.

We have an active application in with Learfield to use their licensing and they said if they get involved in the game, they do not want online roster sharing.

They told us that EA Sports, NCAA Licensing Partners (Learfield IMG) and the NCAA paid $60M in settlement fees to former College players because their likeness was used within a licensed product.

They obviously do not want to go through that again. Hence the reluctance to do another "College Football" game. If we want a handful of teams to go along with some sort of narrative (like EA is doing in Madden) that's feasible and have been offered.

If they aren't interested in doing a licensed game with us then maybe we can re-evaluate the online options.

We paid an application fee to go through this exercise with them. It's in our best interest to see it through and then proceed accordingly.

[baconbits11]

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We have an active application in with Learfield to use their licensing and they said if they get involved in the game, they do not want online roster sharing.

They told us that EA Sports, NCAA Licensing Partners (Learfield IMG) and the NCAA paid $60M in settlement fees to former College players because their likeness was used within a licensed product.

They obviously do not want to go through that again. Hence the reluctance to do another "College Football" game. If we want a handful of teams to go along with some sort of narrative (like EA is doing in Madden) that's feasible and have been offered.

If they aren't interested in doing a licensed game with us then maybe we can re-evaluate the online options.

We paid an application fee to go through this exercise with them. It's in our best interest to see it through and then proceed accordingly.

Thank you for your reply. I really like how active you are in the community and let us know what is going on behind the scenes. It's a breath of fresh air in the gaming development community.


However, I'm not sure I want this exercise to go through although I see why you have done it. You want the game to be as authentic as possible, I completely get it. But think of how much more fun the community can have with a full-featured creation suite where we could create any logo or uniform or roster we want. I'm not impressed with the Madden announcement of having 10 college playoff teams, it's almost like they are half-assing it, True, we will never have NCAA Football again because of the ridiculous "amateur athletes" spin the suits at the NCAA try to push on us. They don't want to have to pay the athletes, it is clear the universities want to keep the bulk of the money for themselves. So why deal with this mess at all and just give us the abilty to create and share whatever we want. This community is just as talented to produce anything the NCAA would license anyway.

I doubt they care to run into a lawsuit.

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I don't see how any lawsuit would hold up with an unlicensed product. EA and partners had to pay $60 million because it was an NCAA licensed product.

[Spear]

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Thank you for your reply. I really like how active you are in the community and let us know what is going on behind the scenes. It's a breath of fresh air in the gaming development community.


However, I'm not sure I want this exercise to go through although I see why you have done it. You want the game to be as authentic as possible, I completely get it. But think of how much more fun the community can have with a full-featured creation suite where we could create any logo or uniform or roster we want. I'm not impressed with the Madden announcement of having 10 college playoff teams, it's almost like they are half-assing it, True, we will never have NCAA Football again because of the ridiculous "amateur athletes" spin the suits at the NCAA try to push on us. They don't want to have to pay the athletes, it is clear the universities want to keep the bulk of the money for themselves. So why deal with this mess at all and just give us the abilty to create and share whatever we want. This community is just as talented to produce anything the NCAA would license anyway.

Yes the process has been a learning experience and has been dragged out by their legal counsel assessing the application...

I think we would have more creative freedom if they are not involved and that will open up doors for next year's game.

[booker21]

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We have an active application in with Learfield to use their licensing and they said if they get involved in the game, they do not want online roster sharing.

They told us that EA Sports, NCAA Licensing Partners (Learfield IMG) and the NCAA paid $60M in settlement fees to former College players because their likeness was used within a licensed product.

They obviously do not want to go through that again. Hence the reluctance to do another "College Football" game. If we want a handful of teams to go along with some sort of narrative (like EA is doing in Madden) that's feasible and have been offered.

If they aren't interested in doing a licensed game with us then maybe we can re-evaluate the online options.

We paid an application fee to go through this exercise with them. It's in our best interest to see it through and then proceed accordingly.

i can live without roster sharing but team uniform will be a must if this game does not get the NCAA license. Which is a win-win scenario since, if you get the license there is no need for us to use uniform sharing since real uniforms will be already on it. and if you don't, you can do share options since NCAA will not be involved at all.

if this game does not get the license to succeed i think is key for the game to be able to replicate NCAA/NFL football structure with sharing options and let the community do the rest. (teams, uniforms, rosters, etc)

[King of Kings]

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Might we have the ability to choose matte and chrome helmets?

[kehlis]

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I don't see how any lawsuit would hold up with an unlicensed product. EA and partners had to pay $60 million because it was an NCAA licensed product.

Being a licensed product is irrelevant.

If a likeness is used or allowed to be shared, it opens them up to litigation.

I could sue you for defamation and emotional damages if you said something to me here that I took offense to. Would a lawyer take that case? I hope not. Would I win if one did? I certainly hope not. If I found a lawyer to take it, would your lawyer settle? I most certainly hope not.

That's obviously very much hyperbole but still is something that has to be considered.

Any game that allows any sort of sharing of files that uses likeness could be sued for that use.

Doesn't matter if it's a licensed game or not but if a profit is being made with the likeness of either individuals or entities, they could very well be sued.

The likelihood of seeing a payout like EA paid is null and not comparable. It was known they had the money. That wouldn't be the case with this game.

Even agreeing to settle outside of court if anyone were to sue would likely be devastating to this project.

Probably not a risk worth taking.

[baconbits11]

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Being a licensed product is irrelevant.

If a likeness is used or allowed to be shared, it opens them up to litigation.

I could sue you for defamation and emotional damages if you said something to me here that I took offense to. Would a lawyer take that case? I hope not. Would I win if one did? I certainly hope not. If I found a lawyer to take it, would your lawyer settle? I most certainly hope not.

That's obviously very much hyperbole but still is something that has to be considered.

Any game that allows any sort of sharing of files that uses likeness could be sued for that use.

Doesn't matter if it's a licensed game or not but if a profit is being made with the likeness of either individuals or entities, they could very well be sued.

The likelihood of seeing a payout like EA paid is null and not comparable. It was known they had the money. That wouldn't be the case with this game.

Even agreeing to settle outside of court if anyone were to sue would likely be devastating to this project.

Probably not a risk worth taking.

Good points, an indie developer cannot risk the chance of a lawsuit, I guess. Too bad precedent cant protect the gold mine potential of this game. Especially since Madden is already doing this with their roster share and custom draft class feature. There are many likenesses being created and shared all day long and no lawsuits. Same with NBA 2K and their draft classes and roster sharing. Two examples of why any potential lawsuit is baseless.

[kehlis]

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Good points, an indie developer cannot risk the chance of a lawsuit, I guess. Too bad precedent cant protect the gold mine potential of this game. Especially since Madden is already doing this with their roster share and custom draft class feature. There are many likenesses being created and shared all day long and no lawsuits. Same with NBA 2K and their draft classes and roster sharing. Two examples of why any potential lawsuit is baseless.

Agreed for the most part but precedence CAN and likely would be used.

That said, the risk is there to go through litigation and it isn't free. That's the biggest risk.

[wreckem27]

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So does Axis get away with roster sharing because it isn't an official feature? "Get away" sounds bad but you know what I mean.