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  • N51_rob
    Faceuary!
    • Jul 2003
    • 14805

    #196
    Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

    Originally posted by colkilla
    i wish the 'skins would sign him but not to be the starter. is he a great qb, no. a threat to go the distance every time he touches the ball, YES. i'd have him as my #2 on gameday, release collins of course and have brennan as the emergency. play him like a series or two a half with a package of plays from the shotgun/read option set/wildcat. if nothing else it is something the other team has to prepare for every week leading into the game, whether you play him or not. will it happen? no chance in hell. tho danny boy loves to make a splash, he never makes a splash that makes sense...
    No. No. NO! There are already enough "Start Colt Brennan" fanboy out there, this would cause the "Start Mike Vick" chants too. Then you would get rid of Collins who has shown that he can still play good football. What happens if JC gets hurt under this scenario? Who do you start Vick, Brennan? Terrible idea.
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    • OSUFan_88
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      • Jul 2004
      • 25642

      #197
      Re: Terrell Owens Says The NFL Suspending Michael Vick 4 Games Is Unfair And Not Need

      Did he cry too?
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      • Cebby
        Banned
        • Apr 2005
        • 22327

        #198
        Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

        Originally posted by N51_rob
        No. No. NO! There are already enough "Start Colt Brennan" fanboy out there, this would cause the "Start Mike Vick" chants too. Then you would get rid of Collins who has shown that he can still play good football. What happens if JC gets hurt under this scenario? Who do you start Vick, Brennan? Terrible idea.
        Start Campbell
        Have Vick as both the temporary and long term back up
        Develop Chase Daniels

        Cut Collins
        Trade Brennan to Minnesota for 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks since the greatest football athlete of all time would go for nothing less than that

        Seriously though, signing Vick and cutting Collins and Brennan would make me a very happy man.

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        • jmill703
          Pro
          • Jun 2003
          • 524

          #199
          Re: Terrell Owens Says The NFL Suspending Michael Vick 4 Games Is Unfair And Not Need

          Let the TO bashing begin...
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          • JBH3
            Marvel's Finest
            • Jan 2007
            • 13506

            #200
            Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

            Originally posted by jmood88
            His last two years he lost 8 fumbles so I don't see how that would affect his defense all that much. Even if he had lost a fumble a game, that still wouldn't account for the 24 other games. But this whole side discussion was about how he was contained, which didn't happen. Teams still couldn't stop him from running and he threw his highest number of touchdowns his last year.
            ...It was also about how his D wasn't playing up to par...I mean isn't that why you were making the case for McNabb and his D?

            So given Vick's INTs/FMBs/sack yards he put his defense in impossible situations.

            I mean Kurt Warner, who most would regard as a statue, played over two seasons more than Vick and only has a difference of 344 sack yards. Vick was sacked a lot, and all of these things...INTs/FMBs/Sk yds put a strain on a defense. Which is then magnified if the defense is in fact "weak".
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            • Buckeyes_Doc
              In Dalton I Trust
              • Jan 2009
              • 11918

              #201
              Re: Terrell Owens Says The NFL Suspending Michael Vick 4 Games Is Unfair And Not Need

              is TO still do the TO show?
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              • jmood88
                Sean Payton: Retribution
                • Jul 2003
                • 34639

                #202
                Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

                Originally posted by JBH3
                ...It was also about how his D wasn't playing up to par...I mean isn't that why you were making the case for McNabb and his D?

                So given Vick's INTs/FMBs/sack yards he put his defense in impossible situations.

                I mean Kurt Warner, who most would regard as a statue, played over two seasons more than Vick and only has a difference of 344 sack yards. Vick was sacked a lot, and all of these things...INTs/FMBs/Sk yds put a strain on a defense. Which is then magnified if the defense is in fact "weak".
                In 2004, which was the year the Falcons had the most success, he was sacked more, had more fumbles, and just played worse than he did his last year but the defense wasn't as bad as they were his last two years. You brought up McNabb not having any receivers for whatever reason which is why I brought up his defense being a big reason for why they had as much success as they did over those three years, a defense that Vick never had the pleasure of having.
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                • daflyboys
                  Banned
                  • May 2003
                  • 18238

                  #203
                  Re: Terrell Owens Says The NFL Suspending Michael Vick 4 Games Is Unfair And Not Need

                  Originally posted by jmill703
                  Let the TO bashing begin...
                  Ok.


                  "That's my quarterback! (sob).... well (sob), that's not MY quarterback (whiff), but he's A quarterback in the NFL (sob)..... well... (ah-hunh) ... he's not playing right now.... (sob)... but I want him for MY quarterback... (whiff)... I want him to play right now for me!! RIGHT NOW! Where's my agent!!! I'm not reporting to camp until he's MY quarterback. Where's my exercycle??"

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                  • colkilla
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1539

                    #204
                    Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

                    Originally posted by Cebby
                    Start Campbell
                    Have Vick as both the temporary and long term back up
                    Develop Chase Daniels

                    Cut Collins
                    Trade Brennan to Minnesota for 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks since the greatest football athlete of all time would go for nothing less than that

                    Seriously though, signing Vick and cutting Collins and Brennan would make me a very happy man.
                    agree with the last sentence. i don't believe collins has any "GOOD" football left. he shot his wad those last few regular season games 2 years ago. he has a noodle arm, ZERO athletic ability and cannot make a play when needed. brennan is over-rated. the idea of having JC as the #1, vick as the backup and developing daniels i like. i actually see a poor man's drew brees in daniels, which might turn out fine with some coaching...

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                    • Brandwin
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 30621

                      #205
                      Re: Terrell Owens Says The NFL Suspending Michael Vick 4 Games Is Unfair And Not Need

                      Originally posted by Fox1994
                      I agree wholeheartedly. lol. That "23 months" thing is gonna get blown way out of proportion and taken out of context, though. Shouldn't have said that to a media man. Keep that stuff in the locker room. lol.
                      Come on...we know TO doesn't keep things in the locker room.

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                      • ProfessaPackMan
                        Bamma
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 63852

                        #206
                        Re: Terrell Owens Says The NFL Suspending Michael Vick 4 Games Is Unfair And Not Need

                        Someone from the media asked him a question and he answered it. As much as I want to get on T.O about it, can't really be mad at him because he.....answered a question lol.
                        #RespectTheCulture

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                        • Yeah...THAT Guy
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                          • Dec 2006
                          • 17294

                          #207
                          Re: Terrell Owens Says The NFL Suspending Michael Vick 4 Games Is Unfair And Not Need

                          Even Skip Bayless is on TO's side regarding this lol.
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                          • Brandwin
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 30621

                            #208
                            Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

                            Per Rich Eisen's twitter

                            richeisenVick conditioinally reinstated. Can play in 2 preseason games and practice. Goodell will let him know about full reinstatement in week 6.

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                            • ProfessaPackMan
                              Bamma
                              • Mar 2008
                              • 63852

                              #209
                              Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

                              Oh and it's now official that Vick has been "conditionally reinstated" back into the NFL.
                              #RespectTheCulture

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                              • bgeno
                                MVP
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 4321

                                #210
                                Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

                                Breaking News:

                                Vick conditionally re-instated. Will be evaluated to be fully re-instated by week 6.


                                No link yet. Just said it on SVP's show.
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