Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

[ANDROMADA 1]

Re: Week 2: Giants @ Cowboys on SNF

[quote=Football4Natic;2040207561]Dude you sound bitter as hell...

The Giants did not have the run game tonight because the Cowboys were running run blitzes and were selling out to stop the run and covering our receivers one on one.

But Eli beat the snot out of you team because we have a great o-line which protected him and our young receivers ran all over your secondary.

even with that the giants still had as a team about 100 yards or more

the cowboys ran on us because we were missing 4 starters on defense and the cowboys ran towards TUcks replacement Tolleson.

blame the cowboys weak pass rush and weak secondary along with Romo[/quote]

no,I said it Right the first time 4 turnovers will get you beat almost every time and Wades gotta go.What game were you watching?Eli beat the snot out of the cowboys Really?And how many T'ds did the G-men score on that "weak" secondary in the Red Zone?....Waits.....still Waiting.......And that Vaunted Giants rushing attack oooh look out Jacobs had a whole 7 yards at half time..dont make me laugh.At any rate the giants did just enough to win and Dallas did more than enough to lose.Bottom line.

[cable guy]

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Tony Romo and Jason Garrett in a big game atmosphere? GTFO with that ****

like ive been saying for a few years now, Dallas is not going to win anything substantial with Tony Romo as their "franchise QB"

another thing, our corners ****ing suck [/understatement]....

Our pass defense is pathetic.

I cant see whats going on back there or what zone or man coverage we play, but it is AWFUL. If someone contains the pass rush, they are toast back there.

[Freelance]

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Some poetic justice last night. Dallas ruined the Giants opener in Giants Stadium back in the 70s, too.

All in all, I don't feel that bad about last night.

New York got every break in the world last night. The strangest plays fell in their lap: the kicked ball into an interception, the batted ball on the last drive that still went to the receiver, juggled catches that somehow landed in their belly, etc.

Dallas played awful. Romo had a terrible game, the corners uncharacteristically were really bad, no pass rush whatsoever.

And Dalllas lost be two.

They just need to clean it up. The Steelers, Packers, Titans, Eagles, and Patriots lost yesterday, too. It's the NFL, it happens.

Now it's on Dallas to get that game back in New Jersey later this year.

[elgreazy1]

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Our pass defense is pathetic.

I cant see whats going on back there or what zone or man coverage we play, but it is AWFUL. If someone contains the pass rush, they are toast back there.

They use a lot of zone-coverage shifts, much like players do in basketball. Say it's two on two (CB vs WR) on the outside, the CBs will not always stay with their man & drop off to man-zone someone else to pass off the coverage. In theory, this is a great defense if you can get a consistant pass rush because it forces the QB to double-think his reads because he's not sure if the WR is open or about to be passed off to another cover-man. The problem is, with the Cowboys having a less effective pass rush this year (for whatever reason), the QB has plenty of time to read the coverage shifts and make a play. Any secondary player will get beat & beat often if the WR has 3+ seconds to run routes and get open, especially with guys who are very clean, disciplined route runners like the Giants WRs. Plus, you gotta give it up to Eli for never getting rattled and the o-line for keeping the rush at bay. The Giants gameplanning was excellent in that regard. They kept WRs, TEs & HBs to block on Ware, there would be at times where he got hit by three different blockers thus making any elite player ineffective. Gilbride deserves a pat on the back for that one.

The game was very positive in many regards. Not once did the Cowboys look "overmatched" on either side of the ball except in key passing down situations. If the front 7 can get the pass rush going again, I think things will cure themselves, but until then, the secondary is serviceable at best.

[JBH3]

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At any rate the giants did just enough to win and Dallas did more than enough to lose.Bottom line.

That's becoming a common occurence w/ Romo in big games.

New York got every break in the world last night. The strangest plays fell in their lap: the kicked ball into an interception, the batted ball on the last drive that still went to the receiver, juggled catches that somehow landed in their belly, etc.

Dallas played awful. Romo had a terrible game, the corners uncharacteristically were really bad, no pass rush whatsoever.

And Dalllas lost be two.

The kicked ball was a bad throw by Romo. He doesn't throw that, there is no INT, period. Juggled catches happen every game in the NFL, your corners have to bat the ball down or be in better position.

So I guess the silver lining is only losing by two?

BUT IMO this is what this matchup boils down to. It's going to be close, and the team that makes the most mistakes will lose.

That proved to be the Cowboys, and if you're expected to go to the next level than you need to prove it. Otherwise, the Cowboys are just a team w/ a lot of talent, that can come close in tough games, but can't win or find a way to win.

[Hooe]

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Neither team registered a sack. This game is broken lol.

Told you Cowboys fans...told you you'd lose. Join the 1-1 club w/ us Eagles, and deadskins. Albeit I thought Brandon Jacobs was going to gash you guys, but instead you all let Eli get off for a 300+ yd effort and 3 scores. Great job!

Romo's 3 picks are just horrible.

Couple that w/ 13 other incompletions, and I don't see how another embarassing performance by Romo, albeit on center stage ONCE AGAIN, basically losing the game for his team doesn't render this dude an absolute hype-fest choker.

So there are no excuses in this one. The Cowboys, Romo was healthy, the Cowboys put some pts on the board, and the better team won...err QB... won.

The Giants beat us because of offensive mistakes we made that can and more than likely will be cleaned up, and by two points at that. On top of that they had a number of freak plays helping them out that don't necessarily take any amount of skill (the Kenny Phillips interception off of Jason Witten's foot, the catch of the batted ball at the end). Not to take away from New York's performance as they did what they had to do and capitalized on the opportunities presented to them when they had to, but I'd argue that, particularly pointing at the four turnovers, the Cowboys lost that game moreso than the Giants won it, but that's neither here nor there.

I also don't see how this result clearly points to the Giants being a head-and-shoulders better team then the Cowboys, or how this game absolutely definitely writes the book on Tony Romo, our defense, etc., but feel free to jump to more gigantic, overarching, overreactionary, conclusions in Week 2. The Cowboys certainly didn't play as well as they could have last night, but there's plenty of time left to define what kind of team they are this season.

...completely unrelated, did we ever get injury updates on Justin Tuck and Marion Barber? Never heard anything.

[Freelance]

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That's becoming a common occurence w/ Romo in big games.



The kicked ball was a bad throw by Romo. He doesn't throw that, there is no INT, period. Juggled catches happen every game in the NFL, your corners have to bat the ball down or be in better position.

So I guess the silver lining is only losing by two?

BUT IMO this is what this matchup boils down to. It's going to be close, and the team that makes the most mistakes will lose.

That proved to be the Cowboys, and if you're expected to go to the next level than you need to prove it. Otherwise, the Cowboys are just a team w/ a lot of talent, that can come close in tough games, but can't win or find a way to win.

It's just a game in September that will mean little in two months. The Giants aren't better than Dallas. That was evident. They were better by two last night in a strange game.

When Dallas beat Tampa, ther were concerns. Giants fans should be concerned that they allowed 251 yards of rushing last night, and that despite getting handed four turnovers and every break in the game, they barely got it done. This a week after beating the gawd-awful Redskins at home by six.

There's plenty of difficult times ahead for New York. Every week is its own drama.

But enjoy your gloat. It all comes back around.

[Freelance]

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That proved to be the Cowboys, and if you're expected to go to the next level than you need to prove it. Otherwise, the Cowboys are just a team w/ a lot of talent, that can come close in tough games, but can't win or find a way to win.

Btw, what would an Eagles fan know about the next level? Isn't that just a rumor in Philly?

By the way, nice defense yesterday by the Eagles.

[JBH3]

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The Giants beat us because of offensive mistakes we made that can and more than likely will be cleaned up, and by two points at that. On top of that they had a number of freak plays helping them out that don't necessarily take any amount of skill (the Kenny Phillips interception off of Jason Witten's foot, the catch of the batted ball at the end). Not to take away from New York's performance as they did what they had to do and capitalized on the opportunities presented to them when they had to, but I'd argue that, particularly pointing at the four turnovers, the Cowboys lost that game moreso than the Giants won it, but that's neither here nor there.

I also don't see how this result clearly points to the Giants being a head-and-shoulders better team then the Cowboys, or how this game absolutely definitely writes the book on Tony Romo, our defense, etc., but feel free to jump to more gigantic, overarching, overreactionary, conclusions in Week 2. The Cowboys certainly didn't play as well as they could have last night, but there's plenty of time left to define what kind of team they are this season.

LOL..."Overarching, overreactionary"...you don't see because you're a Cowboy fan, and fans of teams don't like opposing fans telling them how it is w/ their team from an un-biased outside opinion...

Take the Eagles/Saints thread as an example (and my blind homer optimism), or any Redskins thread I post in where the Skins fans defend their team left and right...where any valid point is followed by "Your a *****" or "Your a Redskins fan in denial"...? (much like you guys ).

Look. If this game is any indication of what is to come, as if Romo's past failures in big games aren't, I don't see how anything can be considered "overarching/overreactionary". We've got a 4 yr and counting case history on Romo, and we know his marginal to poor performances in the playoffs, that he's 12-11 in the division (Eli 17-12;McNabb 32-23 - look at the winning % not the overall), and that he's got a penchant to make mistakes in primetime games. Looking at his career game log I only see a handful of wins (if that), in games where Romo's team wasn't the fav.

Other than that all he's done is be the QB on a talented team, and won games he was otherwise SUPPOSED to win.

All, I think, Dallas can hang it's hat on from this game, is that Dallas can run the ball. However, they still lost in TOP so it's almost completely empty. Had they managed the game better (coaching), and had better QB play (13/29 3 INTs) than they would've likely won.

IF If IF...

A team that is a winner doesn't have to answer the "Ifs". Regardless of how crazy some of these plays were, they were plays made by a talented football team. A WELL COACHED football team. Plays that any capable championship contender CAN make.

Not counting the divisional games left, the Cowboys have 5 games which will make or break their season (CAR, ATL, GB, SD, and NO). So we'll see what's what by wk9, and where this team is and what they're capable of.

I just think that all of this the Giants beat us here/there is a bunch of mularkey excuse talk. Everything mentioned is part of the game of football, either as a whole, or on the NFL level.

[ANDROMADA 1]

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The Giants beat us because of offensive mistakes we made that can and more than likely will be cleaned up, and by two points at that. On top of that they had a number of freak plays helping them out that don't necessarily take any amount of skill (the Kenny Phillips interception off of Jason Witten's foot, the catch of the batted ball at the end). Not to take away from New York's performance as they did what they had to do and capitalized on the opportunities presented to them when they had to, but I'd argue that, particularly pointing at the four turnovers, the Cowboys lost that game moreso than the Giants won it, but that's neither here nor there.

I also don't see how this result clearly points to the Giants being a head-and-shoulders better team then the Cowboys, or how this game absolutely definitely writes the book on Tony Romo, our defense, etc., but feel free to jump to more gigantic, overarching, overreactionary, conclusions in Week 2. The Cowboys certainly didn't play as well as they could have last night, but there's plenty of time left to define what kind of team they are this season.

...completely unrelated, did we ever get injury updates on Justin Tuck and Marion Barber? Never heard anything.

Barbarian Is getting that blown tire looked at today at Firestone.It should be under warranty but I'm not sure.It takes about 24hrs to get a report...Just tryin to add a little humor...We await his MRI results should be in either today or tommorrow.I'm not sure about Tuck though.That play and the hit put on Craton out of bounds both deserve Fines.

[JBH3]

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It's just a game in September that will mean little in two months. The Giants aren't better than Dallas. That was evident. They were better by two last night in a strange game.

Ok. You want to chalk it up to crazy plays and things going the Giants way. Fine. However, they did that ON THE ROAD in front of the largest crowd the NFL has ever seen. You've got it in your favor being only wk2, and faith, hope, and optimism on your side...but what will excuses be in wk10 if say the Cowboys are at or below .500?

When Dallas beat Tampa, there were concerns. Giants fans should be concerned that they allowed 251 yards of rushing last night, and that despite getting handed four turnovers and every break in the game, they barely got it done. This a week after beating the gawd-awful Redskins at home by six.

I think that another poster mentioned the Giants were out 4 starters on defense. I know CB Aaron Ross, and DE/DT Chris Canty were out. Injuries are part of the game, but let's take the rushing total in consideration w/ those players not being in the mix.

Btw, what would an Eagles fan know about the next level? Isn't that just a rumor in Philly?

12 years and counting.

By the way, nice defense yesterday by the Eagles.

Your swiss cheese defense allows Eli to go for 300+ w/ a minimum amount of weapons considering what NO has, and YOU'RE trying to gloat??

Not only that, but Dallas allowed 97 yards on 26 carries...yea...you're poised for a better game?

Also, the Saints were handed a short field twice so get it right buddy...fumbled kickoff resulting in a quick strike to Colston (43 sec. 25 yd score), 3 INTs, and a 97yd pic6. Not exactly entirely the defenses fault for the final score.

[Freelance]

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Look. If this game is any indication of what is to come, as if Romo's past failures in big games aren't, I don't see how anything can be considered "overarching/overreactionary". We've got a 4 yr and counting case history on Romo, and we know his marginal to poor performances in the playoffs, that he's 12-11 in the division (Eli 17-12;McNabb 32-23 - look at the winning % not the overall), and that he's got a penchant to make mistakes in primetime games. Looking at his career game log I only see a handful of wins (if that), in games where Romo's team wasn't the fav.

Romo is still an up and comer. McNabb has had MANY, MANY games like what Romo threw out there yesterday. I've seen games when McNabb couldn't complete a simple swing pass.

I actually am not that concerned about Romo. I'm far more worried about our anemic pass rush so far.

[elgreazy1]

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I just think that all of this the Giants beat us here/there is a bunch of mularkey excuse talk. Everything mentioned is part of the game of football, either as a whole, or on the NFL level.

How is it excuse talk if it's actually looking at the game, disecting matchups, plays & personel?

Clearly had the Cowboys not made so many turnovers they would have a better shot at winning. That's not subjective, that's real, I dont' know what the percantage is anymore but winning a game with 4+ turnovers is nearly impossible. I'm sure the winning percentage is less than 25%.

The Cowboys needed more pressure on the QB. That's not subjective or opinion, the team had 0 sacks. You can't stop the pass if you don't either A) stop the throw or B) stop the catch. The defense had more sacks than any other team in the NFL last year, this year they have none in two games. Obviously this has lent a major hand in their piss poor secondary.

The Cowboys needed to continue to run the ball. That's not an excuse either. 250 yards at 8.7 YPRush is a number you just can't downplay, especially with a Giants defense that was missing both Canty & Tuck. Had the Cowboys ran more, they would have taken the ball out of Romo's hands, not forced 3 & Outs, kept the Giants offense off the field, etc.

I'm not really sure what your purpose is on this discussion thread other than take cuts at another team. I don't mind a good ribbing, jabbing, heck, even ripping a team apart but when someone clearly has nothing of actual substance to which to lend credibility to their critique then really what is the point of even saying anything?

[Hooe]

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...but what will excuses be in wk10 if say the Cowboys are at or below .500?

If the Cowboys are Week 10 and sub-.500, then A) no-bones-about-it we probably aren't a good team, and B) Wade Phillips would not be retained at the end of the season. I personally don't think that will be the case, but that's why they play the games.

I actually am not that concerned about Romo. I'm far more worried about our anemic pass rush so far.

This. Romo must play better for this team to win, but he can and likely will in the weeks ahead. Given that we're paying him $70M, I expect at least that much.

Other than Ware and Ratliff, our front seven on defense just seems slow, like they can't get to the quarterback in time. They are frequently getting close, but have never quite gotten home in the two games we've played. Without a good pass rush, our secondary, which features one good corner, two second-year corners and two average to above-average safeties, will suffer tremendously, as they did last night.

On the plus side, maybe this will help us a little bit in Ware's contract negotiations... :-\

[Gibbz]

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Also, the Saints were handed a short field twice so get it right buddy...fumbled kickoff resulting in a quick strike to Colston (43 sec. 25 yd score), 3 INTs, and a 97yd pic6. Not exactly entirely the defenses fault for the final score.

It was hideous, regardless. Both Dallas and Philly played badly.




It's annoying me how Romo never rolls out anymore. He's always been much more effective rolling out and threatening the run than just being a prototypical drop-back passer.