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  • boomhauertjs
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    • Feb 2004
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    #196
    Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

    I was talking to my friend who used to be a prosecutor and he said he thinks there might be enough facts against Ben to file charges.

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    • Fiddy
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      • Jul 2002
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      #197
      Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

      but my friend is a prosecutor now and he said not enough facts to file charges..
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      • Hova57
        MVP
        • Mar 2008
        • 3754

        #198
        Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

        Originally posted by Fiddy
        but my friend is a prosecutor now and he said not enough facts to file charges..
        is he going by Georgia law or where he's from. You would be quite surprised what you could get in trouble with in one state to the next. that's what gets alot of athletes in trouble in the first place , they are law abidding citizens in one state and criminals in the next.

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        • mjb2124
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2002
          • 13649

          #199
          Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

          Originally posted by Fiddy
          but my friend is a prosecutor now and he said not enough facts to file charges..
          I'd venture to guess that most of the facts of this case have not made it to the public yet. If both sides are smart, they'll keep the facts close to their vest.

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          • Wazzup36
            Pro
            • Feb 2003
            • 710

            #200
            Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

            Per Schefter's Twitter..

            Adam_Schefter
            NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell on Steelers QB Ben Roethlsiberger: "At the appropriate time, I'll be meeting with Ben."

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            • shotgun styles
              Banned
              • Sep 2008
              • 1693

              #201
              Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

              Originally posted by Fiddy
              but my friend is a prosecutor now and he said not enough facts to file charges..

              If she has physical injuries and his DNA, he will almost certainly be charged. Guys have been sent up for 20 years with less evidence.

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              • Buckeyes_Doc
                In Dalton I Trust
                • Jan 2009
                • 11918

                #202
                Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                Originally posted by shotgun styles
                If she has physical injuries and his DNA, he will almost certainly be charged. Guys have been sent up for 20 years with less evidence.
                Which is what he was saying I think. If she had neither physical injuries nor DNA then it's going to be hard to make a case for it.
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                • Hova57
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 3754

                  #203
                  Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                  remember kobe the girl had injuries like bruising and they found his dna, but it later came out it was mutal and he just paid the civil suit.

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                  • bkrich83
                    Has Been
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 71582

                    #204
                    Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                    Originally posted by mjb2124
                    It's funny you say this because I ran into backup NT Chris Hoke at a restaurant near my house in Cranberry on Saturday. I really wanted to say something like "You guys need to put a leash on Ben", but figured I'd be good. He was with his family so I didn't want to be that guy.

                    BTW, I've said it from the beginning, but I also agree with BK and think Ben might be in trouble. The first case sounded fishy from the beginning and I never really believed the woman (kind of like the Duke Lacrosse case a few years ago). This incident....I don't feel very confident that Ben is innocent based on what I've read/heard and the actions of those involved.
                    Agreed. The first one was fishy from the outset. You could tell that was a fishing attempt from the get go.

                    I still don't know what to think totally, but this one definitely has a different feel to it, and there seems like there may be, I repeat may be, more to this one.
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                    • shotgun styles
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1693

                      #205
                      Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                      Originally posted by Hova57
                      remember kobe the girl had injuries like bruising and they found his dna, but it later came out it was mutal and he just paid the civil suit.
                      Yes, but KOBE WAS CHARGED. He never went to trial, but he was indeed charged with rape.

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                      • Howie75
                        Commitment to Excellence
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 1992

                        #206
                        Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                        Sexual assaults involving parties that are socially acquainted are very difficult to prove. If Roethlisberger, for example, gives a statement that he and the girl had consensual sex it is hard to disprove that. It becomes what is euphemistically called a "he said\she said" incident.

                        However, if he locks himself into a story that can be disproven (i.e- nothing sexual happened) and there is DNA evidence to the contrary, he is screwed.

                        A big mistake that is commonly made is to lock oneself into a story that can be directly shown to be false. Once that occurs, the suspects entire credibilty is shot, and they cannot recant and try to explain further.

                        No one outside of Roethlisberger and the girl knows what happened, and obviously the facts are not being dissimenated publicly. But I do agree, this case does not have the sordid air of the previous allegation, and it also speaks volumes about Big Ben's judgement (or lack thereof).

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                        • wwharton
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                          • Aug 2002
                          • 26949

                          #207
                          Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                          Originally posted by Howie75
                          Sexual assaults involving parties that are socially acquainted are very difficult to prove. If Roethlisberger, for example, gives a statement that he and the girl had consensual sex it is hard to disprove that. It becomes what is euphemistically called a "he said\she said" incident.

                          However, if he locks himself into a story that can be disproven (i.e- nothing sexual happened) and there is DNA evidence to the contrary, he is screwed.

                          A big mistake that is commonly made is to lock oneself into a story that can be directly shown to be false. Once that occurs, the suspects entire credibilty is shot, and they cannot recant and try to explain further.

                          No one outside of Roethlisberger and the girl knows what happened, and obviously the facts are not being dissimenated publicly. But I do agree, this case does not have the sordid air of the previous allegation, and it also speaks volumes about Big Ben's judgement (or lack thereof).
                          Actually, this is a very big reason this case seems to have more legs than most. When the story first came out, Ben stated that there was "sexual contact" or something to that effect but that he didn't have sex with the girl. We don't know the whole story but it does appear that he's put himself in that bubble you just described. He also stated that the girl fell, creating whatever injuries she had. Basically, he's presented information that can be used against him if they don't prove to be 100% true.

                          The statement about the "sexual contact" in the dive bar bathroom is also probably what could get him in trouble with the Steelers or league, whether he's guilty of the crime or not. If you notice, Tomlin, Rooney and even Goodell has spoken about his lack of judgment rather than the potential charges. He's made it clear that he did go into a bathroom and do "something" sexual with a 20 year old coed while still under investigation for a pending rape charge.

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                          • metallicatz
                            Banned
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 1869

                            #208
                            Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                            Authorities in GA are have dropped the request for Ben's DNA sample. An interesting development.

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                            • shotgun styles
                              Banned
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 1693

                              #209
                              Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                              Originally posted by metallicatz
                              Authorities in GA are have dropped the request for Ben's DNA sample. An interesting development.
                              That's probably the end of the case. No DNA, no charges.

                              Here's hoping...

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                              • wwharton
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                                • Aug 2002
                                • 26949

                                #210
                                Re: Ben Roethlisberger Accused...Again

                                Originally posted by shotgun styles
                                That's probably the end of the case. No DNA, no charges.

                                Here's hoping...
                                May be true if he were charged for rape but he wasn't (which is probably why it wasn't as important to have the DNA).

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