LT says he was misused in SD

[TheWatcher]

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I think some of those Chargers teams were very good.

Yep, and had he not pulled a disappearing act in some critical games while he was a Charger, he may be wearing a ring right now, and wouldn't be able to make the comment he made.

[z Revis]

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Thoughts?

10 Char.

Not even halfway through his 1st season as a Jet and they're already better than any Charger team he's been on? Ok.

Someone already said it, he needs to shut up.

[Scottdau]

I agree he needs to shut up. Though Sanchez is impressing me though.

[BlueNGold]

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Yep, and had he not pulled a disappearing act in some critical games while he was a Charger, he may be wearing a ring right now, and wouldn't be able to make the comment he made.

A disappearing act? He was a boneheaded Marlon McCree fumble from getting to the AFC Conference Championship game in '06. In '07 he had that ACL injury, and do you really expect a RB like LT that relies heavily on his cutting ability to play with an injury like that?

Also ever since Norv has been coach, the team has gotten progressively worse on the line when it comes to run blocking. LT's last 2 years in San Diego he had a line that was barely half as good as the Jets' line is.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Rivers had the ACL Injury, not LT.

But yea, that 06 team was good, but me personally I thought that 07 team was REALLY good. But yea, a bit too early for him to be making these types of comments, in fact he probably shouldn't have made the comparison at all and should've just left all that alone.

[SilentMichael]

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Of course LT is going to say that the team he's playing with now is the best team he's ever played on. LT, or any other player for that matter, won't go, "Out of my 10 seasons in the NFL, the team I am on right now is the 4th best time I've ever played with."

[Phixius]

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Norv Turner is a passing coach LT? 15 of the 19 years he's been a head coach or offensive coordinator he's had a 1000+ back. Please go ask Stephen Davis, Frank Gore, Ricky Williams, and Terry Allen what kind of coach Norv is.

None of those teams had a consistent QB which force them to run the ball. In San Diego, they do pass the ball often and I saw less of LT when Norv Turner came to San Diego. They still pass the ball more than running. No wonder they can't win any games.

[NYJets]

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Of course LT is going to say that the team he's playing with now is the best team he's ever played on. LT, or any other player for that matter, won't go, "Out of my 10 seasons in the NFL, the team I am on right now is the 4th best time I've ever played with."

Exactly.

Major overreaction by people. Wasn't really a shot at the Chargers. Just expressing confidence in his current team.

[bkrich83]

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Yep, and had he not pulled a disappearing act in some critical games while he was a Charger, he may be wearing a ring right now, and wouldn't be able to make the comment he made.

Show me any RB in history that played in the playoffs with a sprained knee..

Anyone who thinks he 'disappeared' wasn't paying attention or simply doesn't get it.

[TheWatcher]

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Show me any RB in history that played in the playoffs with a sprained knee..

Anyone who thinks he 'disappeared' wasn't paying attention or simply doesn't get it.

That response sounds a bit emotional. You're not thinking the sprained knee thing through. You're posing a question that goes up against over a century of football being played between the U.S., Canada, and everywhere else, at all levels. I'm sure there have been a number of guys who've played RB and other positions with similar or worse injuries, especially pre-modern era where medical checklists were primitive and players actually died on the field many times. Heck, since then, Jack Youngblood played through the entire playoffs, Super Bowl, and Pro Bowl with a broken leg. So, let's not try to crown LT as the toughest player of all time here, lol.

Secondly, last I checked there are other critical games that he's played in over the course of his career besides what you mentioned. And thirdly, if you want to talk playoffs, the fact is that LT has only had one big playoff performance in his entire career ('06 vs NE). The word "disappearance" is certainly apropo in this situation when considering that. The circumstances of the disappeareance don't somehow remove the recorded fact that he disappeared. It's not like they wrote an asterisk in the record books next to his stat line and said "Oh, well he wasn't 100% today, that's why he only had 2 yards per carry in this huge must-win game so please ignore this" or "Oh, he just had a bad day, he's usually great". It doesn't work like that, and that's a good thing.

Look, I enjoy LT just as much as the next guy, he's a great player and a surefire first-ballot HOF'er, but I prefer to stick to the facts rather than romanticize and ignore past situations where he's come up shy. There is no point in it, because his overall body of work overshadows his negatives anyway.

[BlueNGold]

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Rivers had the ACL Injury, not LT.

But yea, that 06 team was good, but me personally I thought that 07 team was REALLY good. But yea, a bit too early for him to be making these types of comments, in fact he probably shouldn't have made the comparison at all and should've just left all that alone.

No, I know that. I just got the injury wrong. It was the injury bk mentioned in the quote below.

Show me any RB in history that played in the playoffs with a sprained knee..

Anyone who thinks he 'disappeared' wasn't paying attention or simply doesn't get it.

That response sounds a bit emotional. You're not thinking the sprained knee thing through. You're posing a question that goes up against over a century of football being played between the U.S., Canada, and everywhere else, at all levels. I'm sure there have been a number of guys who've played RB and other positions with similar or worse injuries, especially pre-modern era where medical checklists were primitive and players actually died on the field many times. Heck, since then, Jack Youngblood played through the entire playoffs, Super Bowl, and Pro Bowl with a broken leg. So, let's not try to crown LT as the toughest player of all time here, lol.

Secondly, last I checked there are other critical games that he's played in over the course of his career besides what you mentioned. And thirdly, if you want to talk playoffs, the fact is that LT has only had one big playoff performance in his entire career ('06 vs NE). The word "disappearance" is certainly apropo in this situation when considering that. The circumstances of the disappeareance don't somehow remove the recorded fact that he disappeared. It's not like they wrote an asterisk in the record books next to his stat line and said "Oh, well he wasn't 100% today, that's why he only had 2 yards per carry in this huge must-win game so please ignore this" or "Oh, he just had a bad day, he's usually great". It doesn't work like that, and that's a good thing.

Look, I enjoy LT just as much as the next guy, he's a great player and a surefire first-ballot HOF'er, but I prefer to stick to the facts rather than romanticize and ignore past situations where he's come up shy. There is no point in it, because his overall body of work overshadows his negatives anyway.

First of all, no one is trying to crown him as the toughest player ever. But you're expecting a running back that relies heavily on his cutting ability to go out in cold weathered New England and be able to do what he does best with an injury that hinders his running/cutting ability. For the sake of the team it was probably the best thing to do at that time. We still had Michael Turner, who was a more than capable backup. LT tried to play through the injury but couldn't.

As for his history in playoff games, you bring up the New England game as his one good playoff game. Well other than his first playoff game against the Jets, that was the only game where there were no issues that had to be dealt with like injuries to the team's most important players or injuries to LT himself and his final game as a Charger was still with that same pass blocking line going against the best defense in the league.

Since you seem to be all over this, tell me what you think of Barry Sanders.

[bkrich83]

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That response sounds a bit emotional. You're not thinking the sprained knee thing through. You're posing a question that goes up against over a century of football being played between the U.S., Canada, and everywhere else, at all levels. I'm sure there have been a number of guys who've played RB and other positions with similar or worse injuries, especially pre-modern era where medical checklists were primitive and players actually died on the field many times. Heck, since then, Jack Youngblood played through the entire playoffs, Super Bowl, and Pro Bowl with a broken leg. So, let's not try to crown LT as the toughest player of all time here, lol.

Secondly, last I checked there are other critical games that he's played in over the course of his career besides what you mentioned. And thirdly, if you want to talk playoffs, the fact is that LT has only had one big playoff performance in his entire career ('06 vs NE). The word "disappearance" is certainly apropo in this situation when considering that. The circumstances of the disappeareance don't somehow remove the recorded fact that he disappeared. It's not like they wrote an asterisk in the record books next to his stat line and said "Oh, well he wasn't 100% today, that's why he only had 2 yards per carry in this huge must-win game so please ignore this" or "Oh, he just had a bad day, he's usually great". It doesn't work like that, and that's a good thing.

Look, I enjoy LT just as much as the next guy, he's a great player and a surefire first-ballot HOF'er, but I prefer to stick to the facts rather than romanticize and ignore past situations where he's come up shy. There is no point in it, because his overall body of work overshadows his negatives anyway.

Again name a RB, that played in any game with that type of injury.. Jack Youngblood was tough as hell. Big difference between doing what he did and playing RB with a sprained MCL. I suffered one last year, I couldn't run for 3 months. He gave it a go, and couldn't. Did you even see the games Youngblood played in? I doubt it.

No one said he was the toughest player ever, but to downplay that injury as if should have been able to play on it is beyond absurd. I reiterate someone who says he "disappears" in the postseason, probably wasn't paying attention. Read as many stat sheets as you want.

[bkrich83]

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No, I know that. I just got the injury wrong. It was the injury bk mentioned in the quote below.





First of all, no one is trying to crown him as the toughest player ever. But you're expecting a running back that relies heavily on his cutting ability to go out in cold weathered New England and be able to do what he does best with an injury that hinders his running/cutting ability. For the sake of the team it was probably the best thing to do at that time. We still had Michael Turner, who was a more than capable backup. LT tried to play through the injury but couldn't.

As for his history in playoff games, you bring up the New England game as his one good playoff game. Well other than his first playoff game against the Jets, that was the only game where there were no issues that had to be dealt with like injuries to the team's most important players or injuries to LT himself and his final game as a Charger was still with that same pass blocking line going against the best defense in the league.

Since you seem to be all over this, tell me what you think of Barry Sanders.

The whole thing about LT disappearing or quitting or whatever people have said, is ridiculous. People love to pile on to great players when they get their shot.

No RB that I have EVER seen has played a game with that injury. Nevertheless one on the road in those conditions.

[steelcurtain311]

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I used to bury LT all the time for his standing on the sidelines with the visor on, thing during the playoffs. While I guess I can agree with some of the people here, with the severity of his injury and everything, it just looked bad.

I don't get why he's bitter at the Chargers, he's the one who was getting hurt every season in his later years there. You got an aging RB who's starting to develop injury problems, you're going to keep him as the centerpiece of your offense when you have a Pro Bowl QB? I think not.

He's benefiting from the Jets heavy-running offense. There's a reason why they had no problem letting Jones go, when he was a monster for them. They feel like they can plug anybody in there, and so far, they have. He should wait until he stays healthy and productive for the whole season, before he starts running his mouth on the Chargers.

[TheWatcher]

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First of all, no one is trying to crown him as the toughest player ever. But you're expecting a running back that relies heavily on his cutting ability to go out in cold weathered New England and be able to do what he does best with an injury that hinders his running/cutting ability. For the sake of the team it was probably the best thing to do at that time. We still had Michael Turner, who was a more than capable backup. LT tried to play through the injury but couldn't.

As for his history in playoff games, you bring up the New England game as his one good playoff game. Well other than his first playoff game against the Jets, that was the only game where there were no issues that had to be dealt with like injuries to the team's most important players or injuries to LT himself and his final game as a Charger was still with that same pass blocking line going against the best defense in the league.

The whole thing about LT disappearing or quitting or whatever people have said, is ridiculous. People love to pile on to great players when they get their shot.

No RB that I have EVER seen has played a game with that injury. Nevertheless one on the road in those conditions.

Since you seem to be all over this, tell me what you think of Barry Sanders.

Because you haven't seen or don't have knowledge of something doesn't mean it never happened...

You can pull out every excuse in the book and break it down to any specific detail you want. But you know well and good that this man was not injured in every single big game that he's played in and didn't play well in over the course of his 10-year career.

Again, the circumstances surrounding his disappearances in big games are not the argument anyway. You're arguing something that was never put on the table. The fact that he disappeared still remains a fact. Either you played well or you didn't, either you stayed in the game or you didn't. Since when did the concept of disappearance/not having good game, change? You're trying to redefine what that means and it's utter nonsense.

Like I said before, there are no asterisks for anybody, and none are deserved no matter how badly you want them, and no matter what the circumstance was. Not even LT himself would sit around trying to conjure that up. And I guess we're supposed to throw durability out the window just for LT? Again, nonsense. If you're going to judge LT with the all-time greats, which I feel he belongs, then you have to judge him the same as every other player and make durability a part of that criteria. Last I checked, durability has always been and is still part of the equation. It's no players fault that they get hurt and it has an effect on their game, but you have no choice but to live with how history records you when you do. That's the breaks, and they get paid a lot to take it.

Again name a RB, that played in any game with that type of injury..

Again, do you really believe that in well over 100 years of football, there would've never been one RB that's played with this or worse injuries, including the pre-modern era? I can't buy that you really believe that. He may be the only highly known RB in the modern era in this case, MAYBE. But all time? That's a helluva reach. Of course I can't just pull a random name out of the air like you want, because injuries are mostly ever known only if they're made public to begin with and it's not something that we can all just pull up a sheet and reference. But if I find something I'll post it. At the same time, you can't prove that there hasn't been some guys either. I think anyone would agree that 100+ years of a sport is an awfully long time to boldy attempt to conclude that LT is the only ever or had the most severe injury ever at his position for being in playing shape.

Jack Youngblood was tough as hell. Big difference between doing what he did and playing RB with a sprained MCL. I suffered one last year, I couldn't run for 3 months. He gave it a go, and couldn't. Did you even see the games Youngblood played in? I doubt it.

Please don't doubt what you have absolutely no idea of knowing about a person. I happen to own a very, VERY large collection of football films across all the major leagues dating back as far as 1940. In a competition of who saw what game, you wouldn't win. Also, I've had a broken leg before. Try running on that much less colliding or doing anything else useful on a football field. Furthermore, ankle sprains like any injury have levels of severity. We can't ignore the fact that the medical staff isn't going to allow a player to play if they knowingly feel an injury is too severe. It's their job. Besides that, the constant bringing up of this injury attempts to reduce all the times where he didn't play well in needed games even when he wasn't suffering a considerable injury and that's not logic, it's responding emotionally and it's trying to revise history.

No one said he was the toughest player ever, but to downplay that injury as if should have been able to play on it is beyond absurd. I reiterate someone who says he "disappears" in the postseason, probably wasn't paying attention. Read as many stat sheets as you want.

The notion that LT would be the only RB in the history of football who has EVER played with a sprained ankle is an incredible reach. Secondly, I stated that he disappeared in big games, not just the postseason. Anyone paying attention can see he didn't play well in a lot of those games. I suppose you saw different games than the rest of America? It's not just about stats, but 2 and 3 yards a carry isn't playing well regardless, no matter how much you want to sugar coat it, or drag one injury and try to blanket it over a career that's spanned a decade complete with big games inside and outside of the postseason, lol. C'mon.