Week 2: Bears @ Cowboys

[bkrich83]

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Here is the bad/sad thing if you could see these issues why the hell couldn't the coaching/management of the cowboys see it. I mean the Jerry should have been drafting for offensive line help for the last few years but we take "skill" player after skill player in our drafts.

Trust me I live through the exact same thing in watching the Chargers drafts.

[grunt]

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I am sorry I just don't see how that was their most pressing need. He was a great prospect, but how many recievers do you need? And now how much of your salary budget is taken up by pass catchers? You're paying Dez #1 money. You just gave Austin a big raise. You just extended and gave a big raise to Roy Williams, and IIRC they just signed Witten to a nice contract not too long ago.

Not a knock on Bryant but I just don't see how that position was a position of need for Dallas. They had much much bigger holes to fill.

Jason Garret want to run a 5 wr set. Frig our needs at safety or offensive line we continue to draft rbs, wrs, and tes. We didnt need another wr but when you are building a fantasy team...

[grunt]

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Trust me I live through the exact same thing in watching the Chargers drafts.

This Dallas team reminds me of the 80's yankees. We never built a championship team but a team for entertainment purposes. We need the non-sexy picks call d linemen and offensive linemen.

Yes, you were right when you were killing the Roy Williams trade but the logic of the Jones clans have predictable results.

[bkrich83]

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Yes, you were right when you were killing the Roy Williams trade but the logic of the Jones clans have predictable results.

The thing is, you would have thought they would have learned that lesson with the Joey Galloway trade.

[Boilerbuzz]

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So, BK, who would have been available to them at their original spot? Do you trade up to get a lineman that is not a sure thing? The draft had some depth, but not enough to take a pass on a potentially great WR. Now, the offense does move the ball. It's not the lines fault that they squander those yards. Better coaching reduces turnovers and stupid, untimely penalties. Not talent.

[bkrich83]

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So, BK, who would have been available to them at their original spot? Do you trade up to get a lineman that is not a sure thing? The draft had some depth, but not enough to take a pass on a potentially great WR. Now, the offense does move the ball. It's not the lines fault that they squander those yards. Better coaching reduces turnovers and stupid, untimely penalties. Not talent.

The offensive line is exactly the reason they lost last week.

There were plenty of players to help them in the front 7 or on the offensive line or at the safety position, if anything I trade down and multiple picks for that spot.

How many pass catchers do they need? Now you're paying prime time money to 3 WR's and a TE. What has it gotten them?

They have a nice set of skillplayers, but they have a lot of holes that either were not addressed or they had guys that didn't pan out.

Is Wade Phillips a great coach? No. Is Jason Garrett a great play caller? No. Can you blame their 0-2 start solely on coaching. Not even close. Jerry Jones bears as much of the blame as anyone. He's the one who built this roster, like his own personal fantasy team.

[bkrich83]

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So, BK, who would have been available to them at their original spot?

Roger Safflold T, out of Virginia, who a lot of teams tried to trade up to get from the Rams. He by the way is I believe their starting left tackle at this point.

Could have gotten DL line depth with Odrick, Brian Price or Dan Williams. Could have gone the safety route with TJ Ward, Nat Allen or Taylor Mays.

[bkrich83]

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So, BK, who would have been available to them at their original spot? Do you trade up to get a lineman that is not a sure thing? The draft had some depth, but not enough to take a pass on a potentially great WR. Now, the offense does move the ball. It's not the lines fault that they squander those yards. Better coaching reduces turnovers and stupid, untimely penalties. Not talent.

I think talent or a lack there of does cause penalties. If you hold guys because you're getting beaten off the line, for example. That's not all coaching, that's simply making up for getting beaten. See Alex Barron.

Besides doesn't Jones take some of the blame for this as well? This is his handpicked coaching staff.

[T3B0W]

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I enjoyed the humble pie served up by Jay Cutler - well played sir, well played.

[JMD]

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Next Sunday @ Houston 0-3 coming up.

[Jasong7777]

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Can we stop saying that the Cowboys are talented? They aint. They have a couple great defensive players and a very good tight end. The rest of the team is mediocre.

[SPTO]

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Regarding Jerry Jones, yes the man needs a GM and stat! Unfortunately two guys that had his ear in the early '90s won't help him as one is dead and the other's friendship has probably been broken irrevocably. Even when Jerry did bring in a top dog to run the team he meddled with things and gave him grief to the point that he voluntarily left.

The culture of this football team is just "off" and it all starts with the man running the team. Cowboys fans better hope that Jerry's kids aren't so ego driven or this will be a team much like the '80s Cowboys teams who were rated highly based on past glories but massively disappoint whether through age (the '80s teams) or ineptitude and not addressing roster issues (the current era)

I strongly believe this team is likely to go 0-3 after the Houston game.

[RGiles36]

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How is it the GM? THey are easily one of the more talented teams in the league.

This.

Of all people who I'd blame for the Cowboys troubles this year (so far) and for issues during parts of the last couple years, Jerry Jones wouldn't be on that list. Sure, he made a blunder on the Roy Williams trade. But hell, most of us thought he would excel when coming to Dallas. Now he would have a great QB to play with! Smh...

Anyway, the problems that we have are the same problems we've experienced at times over the last 3 years (the Phillips & Garrett era). Sloppy play, inconsistency, penalties, and discipline to some extent. I hardly like to blame the coaching staff because it's so open-ended and can be deemed a cop-out. However, perception is sometimes reality and my perception is that Wade's style of coaching is not effective for this group of players. We have leadership on our team and many if not all of the bad team-chemistry guys are gone; but Wade just seems to be so passive on glaring issues. It's taken him 3+ years to finally admit in a press conference that penalties are an issue!

I'm not calling for Wade or Garrett's head at this point. Canning those guys right now would not do us any good. Just pointing out that the issues we seem to be having now are not new issues. To me, the identity of the Dallas Cowboys under Wade's control has been to overcome mistakes; not eliminate them. And when those mistakes can't be overcome, they lose. Simple as that. There aren't too many teams over the last few years that have soundly beaten the Cowboys save the Vikings & Chargers last year, Patriots in 2007, and I'm sure a few others in 2008. It's penalties, mistakes, and poor execution -- just like it has been the last 3 years and why we continue to be the laughing stock of the league.

[RGiles36]

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Roger Safflold T, out of Virginia, who a lot of teams tried to trade up to get from the Rams. He by the way is I believe their starting left tackle at this point.

Could have gotten DL line depth with Odrick, Brian Price or Dan Williams. Could have gone the safety route with TJ Ward, Nat Allen or Taylor Mays.

Dez Bryant was the right choice. I don't watch too much college ball, but all signs point to him being a real star very soon.

They can get through this year with the offensive line they have (if they stay healthy anyway as with all teams).

Our d-line is solid too. Ratliff, Spears, and Olshansky are solid at stopping the run. And we all know how good Ratliff is as a pass rusher.

So if we're talking about who the Cowboys could've drafted in the 1st round, I'm glad they got Bryant. Someone who can get on the field and have an instant impact. Most other positions would've resulted the player sitting behind a starter or two for this year. Dez isn't really sitting behind Roy by the looks of things.

[Dice]

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Can we stop saying that the Cowboys are talented? They aint. They have a couple great defensive players and a very good tight end. The rest of the team is mediocre.

For all that it's worth, they do have talent. Those great defensive players that they have, Jay Ratliff, Demarcus Ware, Terrence Newman and Mike Jenkins are All pro-bowl caliber players. That's a lot for one team to have. Typically if you have that many impact players on defense, you should be a contending team. Your not going to find too many teams(if not any) that has 4 impact players on defense.

Their offense is talented as well. You got a solid WR corp in Austin(all-pro), Byrant(future all-pro) and Williams(head case all-pro). And as you mentioned you got an all world TE in Whitten. And as much as people give Tony Romo the business, he is a pro-bowl caliber QB. How do I know? check his achievements. He's been a pro-bowler 3 times. He's been in the top ten in passer rating for 4 straight years. NOW does he play like it at times? Nope. BUT the ability is there. The RB's they have all have been successful at one point or another in their careers. Last year, they all had average YPC higher than 4.4. So the talent is definitely there.

Now all this to say, just because you have talent doesn't mean jack if you ain't using it correctly. Talent can only take you so far. But if the coaching staff(who's probably worst than Chicago's staff) is not maximizing it, then you get what the Cowboys are doing.