Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

[snowman5607]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Cut Vick's Monday night game in half and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Vick has yet to lose a game where he was able to start and finish. Not to mention we have seen this very explosive team look not as nearly explosive under Kolb who is a pretty good QB himself.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Cut Vick's Monday night game in half and we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Serious?

Cut Rivers pass yards in half and he's no MVP candidate. This isnt worth bringing up. You cant just look pass what has happenned.

[snowman5607]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Serious?

Cut Rivers pass yards in half and he's no MVP candidate. This isnt worth bringing up. You cant just look pass what has happenned.

What I'm saying is, people are looking at that Monday night game and thinking he's played like that all season when in fact he hasn't. Has be played well all year? Hell yeah. But Rivers is the better QB.

[55]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Vick he just had a game that no one in history has ever had two weeks ago. Right now at this moment I say hes playing at a higher level. This also isn't based on that one game, hes been doing it the whole season.

And Rivers is in the midst of having an entire SEASON that no one in history has ever had.

I'll take an entire season's worth of historic production over a single game's worth any day of the week.

[Amoo316]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Imagine if you take Manning, Brees, Rivers, or Brady away from the game for like 2 or so years?

I saw you were just playing devil's advocate, but this should have not a single thing to do with the MVP discussion. He was out of the game for 2 years because he was a moron. We're talking about MVP or higher level of play at the moment not Comeback Player or Feel Good Story.

Bottom line for me is Vick's team can win games without him, but he definitely gives that team the best to win at the moment. The same cannot be said for the Chargers.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

What I'm saying is, people are looking at that Monday night game and thinking he's played like that all season when in fact he hasn't. Has be played well all year? Hell yeah. But Rivers is the better QB.

I dont know if Rivers is the better QB this year. The MVP award is a yearly award.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I saw you were just playing devil's advocate, but this should have not a single thing to do with the MVP discussion. He was out of the game for 2 years because he was a moron. We're talking about MVP or higher level of play at the moment not Comeback Player or Feel Good Story.

Bottom line for me is Vick's team can win games without him, but he definitely gives that team the best to win at the moment. The same cannot be said for the Chargers.

Eagles ability to win without Vick is because the back-up was the starter coming in. If Kolb was backing up Rivers he could win games aswell.

I think if we're saying Rivers because of the players he's playing without. I dont think leaving out the fact Vick was away from the game so long isnt comparable.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Rivers can be in the midst of whatever he wants but until he breaks Marinos record it really doesn't matter. So AS of right now I will take Vick. Wasn't Brees on pace to break Marinos record but fell like 20yds short of it? Anythign can happen so until he breaks the record ima take the guy who is playing equally as well with more team success and actually had a game that no QB in history has ever had.

[da ThRONe]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Rivers can be in the midst of whatever he wants but until he breaks Marinos record it really doesn't matter. So AS of right now I will take Vick. Wasn't Brees on pace to break Marinos record but fell like 20yds short of it? Anythign can happen so until he breaks the record ima take the guy who is playing equally as well with more team success and actually had a game that no QB in history has ever had.

If I'm not mistaking last nite game put him behind Marino and Brees pace.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Most Valuable Player --

The player most valuable to his team. Drop Vick out of the lineup and what happens to the Eagles? Drop Rivers out of the San Diego lineup in the state that they are now and what happens?

Who is Playing at a higher level? --

You can't slight what Vick is doing. The complete game that he is playing is remarkable, but he is doing it with a full compliment of weapons on the offense. Drop Jackson, Maclin, Celek and McCoy off of that offense at once and do the math. I think because of his unique skills that he'd be able to pull out a few ugly wins, a'la Atlanta. But you wouldn't see nearly the polish and poise in the passing game that you do now. Those videogame number would drop off of a cliff.

Drop Gates, Matthews, Jackson, and Floyd out of the San Diego lineup and...

[da ThRONe]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

1st can we stop saying take away "this" and Vick would do "that" because we just dont know. We have seen Vick in ATL with no talent when he didnt play QB at this level win and win a lot. I would never think Rivers could play this well minus what he is missing but he is. You cant fault Vick for not having to deal with team injuries.

[Amoo316]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I dont think leaving out the fact Vick was away from the game so long isnt comparable.

I still don't see how this should be considered. It's not like the guy was away for any moral/religious/patriotic reason. He was away because he was a goon and that fact should not help, or hurt, his candidacy for MVP. All we should look at is this current season and what's happening inside of it.

So if we switch teams and put Rivers in Philly and Vick in SD would we even be having this conversation? The "weapons" if you can even call them that, that Rivers is playing with are just terrible. Guys that are on their last legs in the league. Rivers crew makes guys like Austin Collie look like Pro-Bowlers.

[Sportsforever]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

1st can we stop saying take away "this" and Vick would do "that" because we just dont know. We have seen Vick in ATL with no talent when he didnt play QB at this level win and win a lot. I would never think Rivers could play this well minus what he is missing but he is. You cant fault Vick for not having to deal with team injuries.

You seem like you have made up your mind on this already. Vick has been amazing. You keep referencing his Monday night game, but he wasn't nearly as impressive this past week.

[Senator Palmer]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

If you shouldn't factor in the injuries with Rivers, then you can't factor in Vick being away from the game for two years then and say what would Brees or Manning do? We can only factor in what takes place on the field. If that is the criteria, then Phillip Rivers is doing more than Michael Vick (reference my first post on page one). To take it a step further, he is doing more with less.

And I wouldn't frame Michael Vick's run in Atlanta as winning "a lot". They won, but were never a perennial playoff contender. After that NFC Championship Game appearance, they never seriously threatened again.

He was 15-16 his last two years in Atlanta.