Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

[wwharton]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Whoo.. hold it there. To the first part I NEVER said I thought Vick was a bad player or wasn't an MVP candidate. My point there was that was a historical performance and you don't see those kind of performances every single game. Going back to that game (Game after Washington leading up to the next game) my point pretty much was that was an insane performance which don't happen often. People jumped on that bandwagon of 'His Going to do That Every Game". He still put up good/very good stats in the games before and after.

To the 2nd point, I NEVER said "Rivers performance was better than Vicks last Sunday". I actually didn't mention Vicks performance against the Bears. MVP (Although sometimes you can't be sure) isn't purely based off stats. I wasn't pointing out that Rivers, although didn't have a dazzling performance, did quite well leading that team and controlling the football, while concentrating on the run game more and having the defense make big plays. If you wanted me to mention Vicks performance in that game then ask me too.

And finally.. in your 3rd point. I NEVER said Cassel and Orton or whoever are much better QB's then Manning as a whole. I didn't even put them in the Top 5 (Which is week to week now). I've watched Peyton many times, its not like I have no clue who the hell he is....






I think based on this season so far, I'd find a few people who would put Orton, Brady, Rodgers, Ryan, Rivers, Vick over Manning. Orton leads the league in passing yards, which has me scratching my head considering Rivers is on pace to beat the record.

Why does everyone seem to have this idea of being a Vick H****. It's not like I have ever said I dislike the guy, think his a bad player, or doesn't deserve to be alive.

This is why I never talk about Vick, Rivers or any other QB in the league all in one post. There's a lot to write about. My post before was based on Rivers because I was writing about Rivers.

Maybe you don't remember what you said? I won't bother digging stuff up because there were plenty of people who commented on each of these cases so I'm pretty sure I remember.

I don't love or hate Vick either, and I've been on both sides of the argument. Some things you've said just don't make much sense. And now you don't even remember saying them, lol.

As for my 3rd point, no Cassel, Orton and other guys you mentioned aren't having a better year than Manning. It's not even a debate, they just aren't. Classic example of stats not being everything.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I think based on this season so far, I'd find a few people who would put Orton, Brady, Rodgers, Ryan, Rivers, Vick over Manning. Orton leads the league in passing yards, which has me scratching my head considering Rivers is on pace to beat the record.

Why does everyone seem to have this idea of being a Vick H****. It's not like I have ever said I dislike the guy, think his a bad player, or doesn't deserve to be alive.

This is why I never talk about Vick, Rivers or any other QB in the league all in one post. There's a lot to write about. My post before was based on Rivers because I was writing about Rivers.

No one is on pace right now to break the record. Orton,Rivers,Manning,Brees are all within in 50 yards of each other

[RJTurneR]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

No one is on pace right now to break the record. Orton,Rivers,Manning,Brees are all within in 50 yards of each other

Thats why I'm scratching my head. Rivers threw for under 200 apparently can still break the record.

I don't love or hate Vick either, and I've been on both sides of the argument. Some things you've said just don't make much sense. And now you don't even remember saying them, lol

The only things I have said based on this subject are mainly Vick having a game that you wouldn't see every Sunday, Rivers on pace to beat the record, and points based on the 'MVP Race'.

I'm not sure if your talking about things outside of this thread, but based on Vick and Rivers, I remember everything so far. I'm going to leave it at that.

[RJTurneR]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

How is 19/23 not a great game? He missed 4 passes in a game where the defense and run game made it so that he didn't have to throw. With the exception of the first drive by Indy, SD never trailed.

Sorry, didn't make it all that clear. I meant compared to his past games, it wasn't that great.

[bkrich83]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Sorry, didn't make it all that clear. I meant compared to his past games, it wasn't that great.

Actually if you watched the game, in many ways it was his best game.