Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

[da ThRONe]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Vick is not the passer Rivers is. Particularly throwing the intermediate and deep balls with accuracy. I don't even think that's debatable.

Vick may be the best deep ball passer in the league. Many coaches have raved about Vick's deep passing ability so that area is very debatable.

[SPTO]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Vick may be the best deep ball passer in the league. Many coaches have raved about Vick's deep passing ability so that area is very debatable.

When Vick is hot he can be very accurate but we've seen many games in his career when he's been erratic at best especially in the intermediate passing game. I think many would agree he's improved by leaps and bounds this year but Rivers has been very accurate throughout his entire career. There's a much larger body of work there.

[SouthernBrick]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Vick may be the best deep ball passer in the league. Many coaches have raved about Vick's deep passing ability so that area is very debatable.

In some ways I feel it's kinda unfair to compare both these players since Vick hasn't played the same amount of games.

When it comes down to it I feel it really is still a toss up right now.

IMO though Rivers is the better if not the best deep ball passer in league.

[NDAlum]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I think if you stack everything up right now Vick has the edge. I'm a big Rivers fan...think the Chargers got the better deal of that Eli situation.

About the "coulda been" INTs...they're just that fellas.

Right now I just have to give Vick the edge.

[Sportsforever]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I think if you stack everything up right now Vick has the edge. I'm a big Rivers fan...think the Chargers got the better deal of that Eli situation.

About the "coulda been" INTs...they're just that fellas.

Right now I just have to give Vick the edge.

Absolutely about the picks, but my point was that he doesn't have a 0 because he hasn't put the ball in harms way...there is some luck involved to.

[bkrich83]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Vick may be the best deep ball passer in the league. Many coaches have raved about Vick's deep passing ability so that area is very debatable.

What coach has said Vick is the best deep ball passer in the league. Arm strength does not equal deep ball passing ability.

He's been very good this year, but I am not sure where you are getting that.

[bkrich83]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Vick may be the best deep ball passer in the league. Many coaches have raved about Vick's deep passing ability so that area is very debatable.

To be fair, I did just look at the splits. He has been very good in the deep passing game. Intermediate passing game seems to be where he's been less consistent. But still not bad, just not as consistent.

Still I don't think it's debatable, no one pushes the ball down the field like Rivers or does it more often.

Gotta give Vick credit, he's really turned his game around, but I don't think there's anyway you could say he's the pure passer Rivers is. Of course he's a much more dynamic player so it evens out. I think Rivers is better throwing the ball while the pocket is cluttered, but Vick obviously has completely different level of escapability that Rivers simply isn't capable of having.

I wonder how many NFL GM's would take Vick over Rivers or vice-versa.

Like I said my only concern with Vick is his durability. Rivers hasn't missed a meaningful snap. I hope Vick learns to protect himself better without sacrificing his ability to make plays when the play breaks down. That's a lesson the Steve Young eventually had to learn.

Still if I had my choice and I am running the Norv Turner offense I take Rivers any day of the week. He simply was made to run that offense. But if I am a GM, I take either guy, if we are assuming Vick will continue to play at this level, which I believe he will. I think the lightbulb has finally turned on for him.

He was a mediocre QB in Atlanta at best, now he's truly a QB.

[grunt]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I think he's a great qb mentor a great coordinator and maybe the best game day playcaller in the league. As a head coach he leaves a lot to be desired.

I agree but why don't you like him as a head coach?

[grunt]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I always felt Vick was better throwing the ball down field than dink and dunk. The Eagles take shots down the field and that plays into Vick strengths.

[bkrich83]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I agree but why don't you like him as a head coach?

I just don't believe the team is ready to play on certain occasions. The whole early season slump, they come out and look totally unprepared to play. I think some of his game day management decisions are questionable and have cost them.

As an offensive coord/play caller/QB mentor, I wouldn't want anyone else. As the leader of the football team and game manager, there are several others I'd rather have.

[bkrich83]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I always felt Vick was better throwing the ball down field than dink and dunk. The Eagles take shots down the field and that plays into Vick strengths.

Having Desean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin to throw to down the field sure doesn't hurt. Those guys fit with Vick so damn well. With Vick and those WR's the Eagles are a fun team to watch.

[grunt]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

I just don't believe the team is ready to play on certain occasions. The whole early season slump, they come out and look totally unprepared to play. I think some of his game day management decisions are questionable and have cost them.

As an offensive coord/play caller/QB mentor, I wouldn't want anyone else. As the leader of the football team and game manager, there are several others I'd rather have.

Why do you think the Chargers start off so slow under Turner?

[bkrich83]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

Why do you think the Chargers start off so slow under Turner?

They don't do the little things, they are undisciplined. Injuries certainly hurt them this year, but it comes down to making funamental mistakes and not taking care of the little things. Things like lining up properly. Getting the plays in and breaking the huddle on time. etc, etc, etc.

[grunt]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

They don't do the little things, they are undisciplined. Injuries certainly hurt them this year, but it comes down to making funamental mistakes and not taking care of the little things. Things like lining up properly. Getting the plays in and breaking the huddle on time. etc, etc, etc.

ok, I don't get to see the Chargers play too often on the east coast. Should be a good six games and I am hoping Rivers break the passing record. Last question, what up with the block punts is it the punter or the blocking? Oh yeah, how are the fans dealing with life without LT. He still seem like he has a little wiggle left.

[bkrich83]

Re: Rivers or Vick: Who is Playing at a Higher Level?

ok, I don't get to see the Chargers play too often on the east coast. Should be a good six games and I am hoping Rivers break the passing record. Last question, what up with the block punts is it the punter or the blocking? Oh yeah, how are the fans dealing with life without LT. He still seem like he has a little wiggle left.

Blocked punts are a matter of the aforementioned mental errors. Lining up wrong. Taking the wrong guy based on your protection responsibilty or flat out releasing to cover without completing your protection responsbility. Part of it is bad prepraration imo, but a large part of it is injuries forcing your normal special teams guys in to starting roles and having to sign guys off the street to take over the special teams roles. Guys are playing in those roles who simply are not prepared or who wouldn't normally be playing.

LT is an afterthought here. They've been so much better rushing the ball this year and everyone loves Tolbert. LT is still the man here don't get me wrong, but no one is saying we'd be 7-3 if we had LT.