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[slickdtc]

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Yeah, and he is a great QB even with that. But Ben is special in that holding on to the ball too long is what he is known for.



A good offensive line doesn't turn a average QB into a good one. Even with a bad offensive line a good QB is still a good QB.



If the Lions had the best line in the NFL Stafford would still not be a great QB.

I disagree. I think a good OL can elevate an average QB. There are some skills a QB needs to have independent of pocket time, for sure. Or maybe it's the opposite that a leaky OL can really submarine a good QB's season. You take so many hits and it catches up to you physically and mentally.

Stafford wouldn't be great, but he wouldn't be getting benched or possibly get released if he had some more OL help. I don't think anyone mistook Stafford for Brady even when he was throwing for 5000+, but he wasn't the fodder he is now.

[ggsimmonds]

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Detriot amassed an 11-5 record without a running game (paltry 3.9 yds/rush and 88 yds/game) and had two receivers rack up 1K yds. From my eyes, it seems safe to say it was Stafford or else.

I'm not saying Stafford is an elite QB by no stretch but I think he's better than average?

Not that it makes a significant difference, but they were 10-6.

But no, Stafford is an average QB who has the luxury of having the best WR over the better part of the past decade as his primary target.
Hell Matt Schaub once threw for about 4700 yards because he had Andre Johnson.

[ggsimmonds]

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I disagree. I think a good OL can elevate an average QB. There are some skills a QB needs to have independent of pocket time, for sure. Or maybe it's the opposite that a leaky OL can really submarine a good QB's season. You take so many hits and it catches up to you physically and mentally.

Stafford wouldn't be great, but he wouldn't be getting benched or possibly get released if he had some more OL help. I don't think anyone mistook Stafford for Brady even when he was throwing for 5000+, but he wasn't the fodder he is now.

Elevate an average QB, sure I can agree with that depending on just how far he would be elevated. But go back and read Speedy's initial post. The implication I got was that with a "decent" line Stafford would be spectacular.

Any QB good enough to start in the NFL, and even some who are not, can succeed with the right conditions. But what GMs have to ask themselves is is it is easier to create those right conditions for that QB or to find a different QB who does not need as much in order to succeed?

[wwharton]

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Again I say it's all about perspective. William Gay wears purple cleats to bring further awareness to DV (which btw has anyone seen a No More commercial this season?) is vastly different than Marshawn Lynch wants to wear cleats with Skittles air brushed all over them to get at $15,000 pay day.

At the end of the day I don't care one way or another. But there is a reason it's called a maximum fine because it allows for discretion is doling it out.


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No doubt, and the difference is very obvious. But if Lynch said the cleats were for the fallen soldiers of 9/11, it'd make an obvious difference turn into a gray area the league would need to deal with. Lynch would still get paid... of course Skittles would get behind that story. Why wouldn't every other player looking for a pay day or a way to stand out think of a cause so they can do the same?

I hear you on the maximum fine, but cutting it down to next to nothing wouldn't destroy the motivation presented in the above hypothetical. As it is, those who really care about the cause just pay the fine and keep it moving. It'd be different if they were getting suspended.

And Pack, we had a discussion about the exact same thing already, right? Bringing it up again isn't considered piling on?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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By that definition, then there's been nothing but "piling on" going on in this thread of talking about the same stuff that goes on every year.

But you got it though. Ironic part is I only posted it on here because it was newsworthy and my objective wasn't to "pile on" like you think I'm doing.

[jWILL253]

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I don't see how it can be considered "piling on" when the disappointment in the leagues actions regarding these things is completely justified.

Basically saying "everybody's doing it" isn't much of a response to the issue, tbh.

[Speedy]

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Not that it makes a significant difference, but they were 10-6.

I noticed this too right after I posted.

Elevate an average QB, sure I can agree with that depending on just how far he would be elevated. But go back and read Speedy's initial post. The implication I got was that with a "decent" line Stafford would be spectacular.

Any QB good enough to start in the NFL, and even some who are not, can succeed with the right conditions. But what GMs have to ask themselves is is it is easier to create those right conditions for that QB or to find a different QB who does not need as much in order to succeed?

I think Stafford would look much better than he does currently if he had even a decent offensive line. That's a big reason why I think Cam Newton looked so horrible the first half of last year...when they finally shored up the issues, Carolina ran off 5 straight, played exceptionally tough against Seattle in the divisional and carried that same success into this year.

It's usually a given with a NFL QB...if he's given enough time, he can make any defense pay.

[l3ulvl]

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Stafford is not a great QB, nor has he ever been. Just because he averaged 41 pass attempts which allowed him to rack up 5000 yards does not mean he was a great QB. The game is a little more nuanced than that.

Don't forget all Stafford did was throw jump balls to Calvin prior to Lombardi getting hired!

Seriously though, I don't understand the direction Detroit was taking towards the New Orleans style. Are there two more differing QBs in the league than Stafford and Brees? Why are we taking an inaccurate QB and making him run the short & quick offense, while also failing to disguise the formations to the point where everyone knows in advance whether it's a pass or not. Oh, but we'll fake it to the RB when we have a FB in the formation, which leads the D toward the line, and then we'll throw a short pass anyway, like that's where the defenders won't be!

Listening to Russillo and Kannell on ESPN Radio . They say, at this point, the Lions are projected to have the number 1 pick in the 2016 draft. They think the Lions should look at trading Stafford and maybe going after Jared Goff . What do you Lions fans think of this?

Also, they also want to know what Texans fans would think of the organization trading for RG3 or Kaepernick?Which one would yall rather have? Kannell says RG3 has too much baggage (injury history, teammates not liking him, etc. )

Russillo and Kanell also suggested Detroit could get multiple 1st rounders for him. I love their radio show, but c'mon

[pw_1016]

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Russillo and Kanell also suggested Detroit could get multiple 1st rounders for him. I love their radio show, but c'mon

LMBO yeah they went too far by saying that. The team could probably get a couple of mid round picks for him... lol or they could trade for RG3 or Kap . Im sure Lions fans would love that.

[TracerBullet]

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They're finally tearing down the Silverdome next year.

[slickdtc]

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They're finally tearing down the Silverdome next year.

Can it play QB?

[dsallupinyaarea]

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I noticed this too right after I posted.



I think Stafford would look much better than he does currently if he had even a decent offensive line. That's a big reason why I think Cam Newton looked so horrible the first half of last year...when they finally shored up the issues, Carolina ran off 5 straight, played exceptionally tough against Seattle in the divisional and carried that same success into this year.

It's usually a given with a NFL QB...if he's given enough time, he can make any defense pay.

I'm just quoting this because it was the last piece of the convo.


I heard on a podcast (can't remember which one) that while run blocking is 100% on your offensive line, pass blocking is a 50/50 concert with the QB. The Colts protected Matt Hasselbeck pretty well for 2 games then as soon as Luck came back the line started stinking again. Not a coincidence. Obviously your QB can't be under siege constantly but guys like Luck, Stafford and young Big Ben don't do themselves any favors. I remember Stafford walking himself into at least 2 sacks last Sunday.

Can it play QB?

10/10. Take a bow.

[areobee401]

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Yikes

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-bears-jeremiah-ratliff-death-threats-20151030-story.html

[slickdtc]

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I was confused because I never heard of a Pro Bowler named Jeremiah Ratliff. It's because he's gone by Jay Ratliff with the Cowboys where I remember him from.

Clearly in need of some help. I don't have a good feeling about how this one might end... Hopefully Chicago or Dallas steps in to help. Not that they are obligated to, but knowing the damage football does to the people who play it, it would be a good, responsible gesture.

[ubernoob]

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That wasn't the first time that's happened with him.

I think it was last year something like that happened as well.