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[TheShizNo1]

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He still hitting like .095 in the Minors?

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[SPTO]

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To put it bluntly, if Kaepernick never did the anthem thing he'd have a job right now. I think it's wrong that an athlete that took a stand on social issues is being punished the way he is. I can't imagine how those in the late '60s who did the Black Power salute and such would be treated today.

This is why we shouldn't be surprised when we complain about athletes not having a social conscious and they do nothing about it. Kaepernick is an abject lesson in the dangers of what that can do especially if you're not in the transcendent echelon of an Ali, Jordan (who wisely never took on social issues during his career) Tiger Woods or LeBron.

I think some of the teams out there are beholden to corporate "standards" and the belief that anything out of the mold is bad. At least some good came out of this though, a lot of football players took the opportunity to do some things (though not as prominent) such as a good chunk of the Miami Dolphins roster holding town halls and working on education/dialogue with local police.

[TheShizNo1]

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To put it bluntly, if Kaepernick never did the anthem thing he'd have a job right now. I think it's wrong that an athlete that took a stand on social issues is being punished the way he is. I can't imagine how those in the late '60s who did the Black Power salute and such would be treated today.

This is why we shouldn't be surprised when we complain about athletes not having a social conscious and they do nothing about it. Kaepernick is an abject lesson in the dangers of what that can do especially if you're not in the transcendent echelon of an Ali, Jordan (who wisely never took on social issues during his career) Tiger Woods or LeBron.

I think some of the teams out there are beholden to corporate "standards" and the belief that anything out of the mold is bad. At least some good came out of this though, a lot of football players took the opportunity to do some things (though not as prominent) such as a good chunk of the Miami Dolphins roster holding town halls and working on education/dialogue with local police.

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Kenny Stills didn't stand either and he got more money this offseason. He even said he wasn't making a promise that he'd stand this coming season.


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[wco81]

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To put it bluntly, if Kaepernick never did the anthem thing he'd have a job right now. I think it's wrong that an athlete that took a stand on social issues is being punished the way he is. I can't imagine how those in the late '60s who did the Black Power salute and such would be treated today.

This is why we shouldn't be surprised when we complain about athletes not having a social conscious and they do nothing about it. Kaepernick is an abject lesson in the dangers of what that can do especially if you're not in the transcendent echelon of an Ali, Jordan (who wisely never took on social issues during his career) Tiger Woods or LeBron.

I think some of the teams out there are beholden to corporate "standards" and the belief that anything out of the mold is bad. At least some good came out of this though, a lot of football players took the opportunity to do some things (though not as prominent) such as a good chunk of the Miami Dolphins roster holding town halls and working on education/dialogue with local police.

Lebron, CP3, Wade and Melo I think it was did make a statement at some awards show last year and stood on stage together in response to police killings or BLM.

But yeah that's more an exception than a rule. They didn't do some kind of protest for a whole season like Kaep did.

I think either the Giants or Jets owner said that if they signed Kaepernick, their fans would boycott them, without presenting any evidence.

[wwharton]

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I've been hesitant to joint this discussion and help continue a potentially thread closing escalation, but great job so far keeping everything respectful and within the TOS guys.

I give Kaep all the props in the world for the simple fact that his job WAS in jeopardy when the spotlight began to shine on his taking a knee... let's remember, he didn't seek this out, it was noticed. He was speaking up and doing things off the field before this, and when it was noticed he's simply commented on it and continued his efforts.

You don't have to analyze the message to understand he was doing something that could potentially cost him his job and thought it important to do anyway, so props to that.

With that said, now that he's searching for a team, it seems to be a reach to now point the finger at his actions being the driving force to him still looking for a job. Without hanging onto what he did under Harbaugh, he just simply has not been a very good QB. The Tebow comparison does fit, as does a comparison to RG3 who is also looking for a job. He finds himself in a place where many teams would have a controversy with a QB of his level looking over the shoulder of the starter, and with a need to specialize the offense to even give a chance of success with him behind center. He's also likely looking for money many won't want to pay a back up.

It'd be naive to claim his social stance doesn't play a role at all, but as has been mentioned, it appears that the role it plays is more a matter of bringing polarizing attention to a team for a player who's a borderline signing to begin with. People have mentioned criminals getting multiple chances, but ignore how quickly players are cut if they are fringe players in that situation. Fringe players get cut for getting to meetings 5 mins late. Considering we're talking about the QB position, it's fair to compare a back up QB to a fringe WR or DB.

[mestevo]

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It isn't even remotely a similar situation though. Raiders have done this by the book as have other teams who have relocated since.

They started a GoFundMe and hired some relatively high profile legal counsel - https://www.gofundme.com/westandwithoakland.

They seem to think they can make a case that the 'community' owns "Oakland Raiders" and get an expansion team. The city isn't even involved... It's just some fans.

$600 in 4 days reflects the commitment of that community thus far...

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So the event today was basically to announce a couple of fan groups combined into one and announce they have a legal team to look into their options to keep football in Oakland.

This all should have happened 2+ years ago, but the city was going through their charade of pretending to want to keep the team.

https://www.pscp.tv/26DrDeath/1ynJOjYDEgXGR?t=3

The 3 years it will take to actually move to Vegas seems to have provided the illusion of an opportunity to keep the team.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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He's also likely looking for money many won't want to pay a back up.

Curious as to what you're basing this on..


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[SPTO]

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The 3 years it will take to actually move to Vegas seems to have provided the illusion of an opportunity to keep the team.

If only the owners hadn't approved the move because I think if Davis had secured funding and such in Vegas and there wasn't tacit league approval for the move than you could see the city of Oakland possibly doing a last ditch "blow Davis away with a great offer" type deal.

Curious as to what you're basing this on..


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Can't speak for him but one of the NFL-N reporters (can't remember who) was saying that Kaep wants backup+ money. He's basically asking for more than what any backup in the league would get but just under the salary of a legit starter.

[LowerWolf]

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Supposedly the hang up in potential deals with the Browns and Broncos last year is that Kap wouldn't take a pay cut to around $7.5M. Whether he's still looking for more than that now, I have no idea.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Can't speak for him but one of the NFL-N reporters (can't remember who) was saying that Kaep wants backup+ money. He's basically asking for more than what any backup in the league would get but just under the salary of a legit starter.

I remember seeing one report with "sources" reporting that he was looking for $9-10 Mil and a chance to start but those same "sources" said that wasn't true.

But other than that, nobody knows what he wants as far as money goes so how can anyone say he wants X amount of dollars, when outside of Seattle, he's never had a serious convo with any team regarding a contract with any team this offseason?

[mestevo]

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If only the owners hadn't approved the move because I think if Davis had secured funding and such in Vegas and there wasn't tacit league approval for the move than you could see the city of Oakland possibly doing a last ditch "blow Davis away with a great offer" type deal.

The $750m from Vegas was that offer, the city is locked up in an exclusive deal w/ an investment company and Ronnie Lott's group, so nobody else can really come in with an offer that makes up for what the city wasn't willing to contribute ($200m loan that the Raiders would have had to pay back).

Unfortunately for the fans, the city seems pretty happy to let them go and the public/private support isn't there to keep them.

[wwharton]

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Curious as to what you're basing this on..


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Had to go back and make sure you were quoting me, lol.

Honestly, it's not based on much. I heard early on that his lack of workouts was more by choice than the rumored black balling. It's a bit of a leap to equate that to wanting a starting spot or certain amount of money, but that's what the educated guess was there. It could definitely be false.

[NDAlum]

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I remember seeing one report with "sources" reporting that he was looking for $9-10 Mil and a chance to start but those same "sources" said that wasn't true.

But other than that, nobody knows what he wants as far as money goes so how can anyone say he wants X amount of dollars, when outside of Seattle, he's never had a serious convo with any team regarding a contract with any team this offseason?

If we don't know this how can we say he's being blackballed then? With certainty like it seems some have said in this thread.

[steelerfan]

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No matter the issue, I see no reason to sign a polarizing player just to have him be a backup. Why put your franchise through all of the mess for a guy like that? If he was legit starter material, someone would sign him and take on all that goes with it.