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[JBH3]

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Hey guys what site nowadays gives stats on how many times a team was in shotgun and other situational tendencies?

[ProfessaPackMan]

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The polices and punishment are escalating though. Even the inconsequential punishments... you have to dish them out, because then on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th offense you continue to scale them out. When fines clearly aren't working you start suspending, etc. When those suspensions are appealed you have those fines to clearly show the warnings were there and ignored. It's like building a case to fire someone on the job, if you don't have the full set of warnings, justification for an action, then you're stuck paying unemployment. You don't pass on punishing someone just because it is less impactful to him than it would be to a punter picked in the 6th round on a rookie deal.

He is an owner, so he'll be held to a higher standard and probably pay a larger fine than said punter, but clearly you're out for blood or something or don't appreciate the processes you so freely criticize to even suggest they should go after a 1st or 2nd round pick from the Colts for this.

And since you apparently don't know why I said the charity bit... all NFL fines go to charity.

What does fining a player really do? Let's not act like the league is super strict about this stuff.

Aldon Smith got a DUI January 2012. Didn't miss a single regular season game. Gets a second DUI September 20, 2013. Plays in the game two days later. Goes to rehab. Gets charged with three felony counts of illegal possession of an assault weapon on October 9th. Plays every game from week 9 until they get knocked out of the post-season.

Oh, I know they're not super strict when it comes things like this?

My whole beef is with the folks who've said for years they want Goodell to hold Owners to the same exact standards he does players when they do the same exact thing but then want to just fine the owners. It's the double standard from those same people I have a problem with.

And mestevo, nobody is out for blood just because I don't agree with every single thing the league does or agree with their disciplinary policy or the inconsistencies in it. Don't even try to play that card, come on now.

Fining and suspending an Owner, especially one who's worth hundreds of millions of dollars...let's be real, is a waste of time which is all I'm saying.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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I'm as anti Goodell as they come and even I have to admit that he's in a tough spot here. Any fine would be insignificant, taking draft picks would be punishing a bunch of people that have nothing to do with it, and what exactly are you going to suspend him from? Make him work from home lol? Tell him he can't run his business for 4 weeks? Glad it's not my call.

This is the downside to Goodell so obviously positioning himself as an employee instead of an actual commissioner of the sport.

[LambertandHam]

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I'm as anti Goodell as they come and even I have to admit that he's in a tough spot here. Any fine would be insignificant, taking draft picks would be punishing a bunch of people that have nothing to do with it, and what exactly are you going to suspend him from? Make him work from home lol? Tell him he can't run his business for 4 weeks? Glad it's not my call.

This is the downside to Goodell so obviously positioning himself as an employee instead of an actual commissioner of the sport.

I'd be surprised if part of it wasn't going in for treatment and doing PSA/community service about alcohol and pills.

[ubernoob]

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I'd be surprised if part of it wasn't going in for treatment and doing PSA/community service about alcohol and pills.

Well when the Lions team president got convicted of a DUI in 2010 he got a 30 day suspension and 100k fine. That was for alcohol, so I'm unsure what Irsay will get since he's an owner (not a team president) and this is related to felony drug charges for his illegal prescriptions. Not much more than that I'm assuming, as long as he agrees to go in for treatment.

I'm sure he'll go into rehab on his own, all public faces do when something like this happens.

[p_rushing]

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Well when the Lions team president got convicted of a DUI in 2010 he got a 30 day suspension and 100k fine. That was for alcohol, so I'm unsure what Irsay will get since he's an owner (not a team president) and this is related to felony drug charges for his illegal prescriptions. Not much more than that I'm assuming, as long as he agrees to go in for treatment.

I'm sure he'll go into rehab on his own, all public faces do when something like this happens.

He may be a little different though. The NFL does know of the previous issues. He has overdosed at least 3 times in the past on pain killers. The NFL talked to him and had him in treatment in 2002. So it won't be his first offense. I doubt the NFL does much. The 4 felonies will probably disappear unless the DA doesn't want to appear soft.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I'm as anti Goodell as they come and even I have to admit that he's in a tough spot here. Any fine would be insignificant, taking draft picks would be punishing a bunch of people that have nothing to do with it, and what exactly are you going to suspend him from? Make him work from home lol? Tell him he can't run his business for 4 weeks? Glad it's not my call.

This is the downside to Goodell so obviously positioning himself as an employee instead of an actual commissioner of the sport.

Ultimately, though, he is the owner of the team. You have to affect the bottom line in some way other than simply forcing him to donate to charities (which he would just adjust his contributions for the year so he would still get the tax benefit of his "punishment") and fining him.

[N51_rob]

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I'm as anti Goodell as they come and even I have to admit that he's in a tough spot here. Any fine would be insignificant, taking draft picks would be punishing a bunch of people that have nothing to do with it, and what exactly are you going to suspend him from? Make him work from home lol? Tell him he can't run his business for 4 weeks? Glad it's not my call.

This is the downside to Goodell so obviously positioning himself as an employee instead of an actual commissioner of the sport.

Well when the Lions team president got convicted of a DUI in 2010 he got a 30 day suspension and 100k fine. That was for alcohol, so I'm unsure what Irsay will get since he's an owner (not a team president) and this is related to felony drug charges for his illegal prescriptions. Not much more than that I'm assuming, as long as he agrees to go in for treatment.

I'm sure he'll go into rehab on his own, all public faces do when something like this happens.

Problem with a Team President is that he isn't an owner. Irsay is an owner which means he is Goodell's "boss". How many employees really can punish their Boss? There really isn't a lot that can be done w/o the Okay of the other owners I would think.

[ubernoob]

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Problem with a Team President is that he isn't an owner. Irsay is an owner which means he is Goodell's "boss". How many employees really can punish their Boss? There really isn't a lot that can be done w/o the Okay of the other owners I would think.

True, but untrue. I know you know the relationship between the two parties (owners and commish), but some people may see you saying Goodell as being an "employee" of the owners when he's really not - even though that's how people word it.

It's in his interest to look out for the owners and the league, true, but his main duty applies to the league.

Goodell's job is to uphold the policy and the policy clearly states that the CoC applies to everyone.

He nailed Kraft for Spygate (which was an on-the-field affecting thing, so taking draft picks was right.) He fined Bud Adams 250k for flipping the bird to the crowd. Let's not forget he punished the Saints pretty heavily. That was also an on the field thing, though I don't necessarily agree with the punishment levied out.

He'll obviously get a fine (that won't be too big of a deal to him.) He won't lose draft picks or anything (nor should he) but he may get a suspension from being around team activities. I'm cool with that too. No idea how long it will be. A season? Until he proves himself to be seeking and continuing to get the help he needs? Some arbitrary period of time? Who knows.

Something off-the-field like this shouldn't affect anything "on the field" like draft picks.

[wwharton]

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Problem with a Team President is that he isn't an owner. Irsay is an owner which means he is Goodell's "boss". How many employees really can punish their Boss? There really isn't a lot that can be done w/o the Okay of the other owners I would think.

If we're comparing to the corporate world, the HR Manager and Security Officer would be two examples, and I think both are good comparisons to this situation. I personally think Irsay has enough to deal with in terms of real punishment and has a good chance at jail time. I also believe punishment should be used as a deterrent from repeating the action, so if he gets hit hard enough outside of the league, I don't see why anything more than a fine and personal suspension would be necessary.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Can someone honestly answer what does suspending an Owner do? What would be the purpose of that and fining him as well other than PR purposes? It's not like teams need the Owner to be around at all times anyway(Can anyone actually say that they care if he's at every game/practice?) and during this time of the year, as long as their money is available to sign FA/Players, teams couldn't care less if he was around as long as they're winning.

You already know the players are going to think it's BS which will follow up with the "Lol Goodell is a hypocrite" comments that they'll most likely follow up with. We(well most of us fans)all know his punishment is going to be some BS and I'd wager a nice sum of money that he won't do any time and will probably get the charges knocked down some and he'll probably just get probation and maybe a stint in Rehab.

[ubernoob]

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Can someone honestly answer what does suspending an Owner do? What would be the purpose of that and fining him as well other than PR purposes? It's not like teams need the Owner to be around at all times anyway(Can anyone actually say that they care if he's at every game/practice?) and during this time of the year, as long as their money is available to sign FA/Players, teams couldn't care less if he was around as long as they're winning.

You already know the players are going to think it's BS which will follow up with the "Lol Goodell is a hypocrite" comments that they'll most likely follow up with. We(well most of us fans)all know his punishment is going to be some BS and I'd wager a nice sum of money that he won't do any time and will probably get the charges knocked down some and he'll probably just get probation and maybe a stint in Rehab.

Irsay already checked himself into rehab.

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[wwharton]

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Can someone honestly answer what does suspending an Owner do? What would be the purpose of that and fining him as well other than PR purposes? It's not like teams need the Owner to be around at all times anyway(Can anyone actually say that they care if he's at every game/practice?) and during this time of the year, as long as their money is available to sign FA/Players, teams couldn't care less if he was around as long as they're winning.

You already know the players are going to think it's BS which will follow up with the "Lol Goodell is a hypocrite" comments that they'll most likely follow up with. We(well most of us fans)all know his punishment is going to be some BS and I'd wager a nice sum of money that he won't do any time and will probably get the charges knocked down some and he'll probably just get probation and maybe a stint in Rehab.

You're not trying to hurt the team, you're trying to hurt the owner (the one who committed the crime). And despite it not being as big of a punishment as we may like, taking away my multi-million dollar toy would definitely hurt.

[JBH3]

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Hey guys what site nowadays gives stats on how many times a team was in shotgun and other situational tendencies?

So I guess this was the wrong thread to post this in^^^

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[wwharton]

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So I guess this was the wrong thread to post this in^^^

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Well this thread is just 2 days old. May be a better place.
http://www.operationsports.com/forum...defensive.html