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[steelerfan]

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Ref needs to throw the flag for targeting here.

Why yall looking at that post and just carving out CPOE? I have no idea what it is either, but I don't need to because the passing chart and Hooe's statements are the main course here.

For whatever reason when it comes to advanced stats for NFL QBs we all know we have yet to find one that is really worth a damn. Other sports we can argue about which is better but for whatever reason here the argument is "are there any that are not worthless?"

If by "ya'll" you are including me, all I did was answer his question with a "no" and point out another useless stat - QBR.

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[Ghost Of The Year]

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Whomever is giving advice to Tua...

Dude should not be playing. There is concrete factual evidence what these numerous concussions can abd will do to your brain and your body. This game is not worth your life, bro.

On the flip side, I wonder if Steve Young and Troy Aikman have regrets for not retiring earlier.

[dubcity]

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On the flip side, I wonder if Steve Young and Troy Aikman have regrets for not retiring earlier.

I would bet that Steve Young does not. He was as competitive as anyone who played in the league. It would be like asking him if he regrets being Steve Young.

[Hooe]

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so, I've never heard of CPOE...


looked it up, according to CPOE Malik Willis is the third best QB in the NFL (Jordan Love 35th), and Will Levis is #7, we can pick and choose all the stats we want, but this metric ranks Skyler Thompson above CJ Stroud, and Justin Fields ahead of Lamar Jackson, do these numbers actually mean anything?

CPOE is Completion Percentage Over Expected. It's an analytic measure which compares a player's actual completion percentage against an "expected completion percentage" computation which encompasses field position, down, distance, air yards, whether the QB was hit, and other factors.

Basically, it's a measure which attempts to give quarterbacks additional credit for completing more difficult passes, as opposed to just dinking and dunking all the time. The theory is that longer completions which travel further through the air and gain more yards for the offense are more indicative of quality quarterback play than routinely throwing short passes to YAC merchants.

It has its drawbacks, but it is a more in-depth measure of a quarterback's performance than simple completion percentage. I imagine it might be pretty noisy in smaller sample sizes as well.

[Hooe]

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I would say no (without even knowing what it is).

According to QBR...

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profoo...-best-qbr-ever

While we're on the subject of analytics: ESPN Total QBR is a much better statistic than traditional passer rating. Passer rating double-counts completions and has arbitrary caps placed upon various components of its formula, those caps having no basis in anything. Total QBR is a far more contextual measure which attempts to inform how a quarterback performs in meaningful game situations (i.e. not blowouts or garbage time) and actions which lead to the offense scoring points are weighted more heavily (in particular, the expected points added measure which is a fundamental component of the Total QBR formula values yardage gained closer to the opponent's end zone).

It is important to note that the formula for Total QBR has changed over time (the article you linked was originally posted in 2015), and Charlie Batch is now nowhere to be found on the updated single-game all-time leaderboard.

[l3ulvl]

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CPOE is Completion Percentage Over Expected. It's an analytic measure which compares a player's actual completion percentage against an "expected completion percentage" computation which encompasses field position, down, distance, air yards, whether the QB was hit, and other factors.

Basically, it's a measure which attempts to give quarterbacks additional credit for completing more difficult passes, as opposed to just dinking and dunking all the time. The theory is that longer completions which travel further through the air and gain more yards for the offense are more indicative of quality quarterback play than routinely throwing short passes to YAC merchants.

It has its drawbacks, but it is a more in-depth measure of a quarterback's performance than simple completion percentage. I imagine it might be pretty noisy in smaller sample sizes as well.

The frustrating thing to me is I want these analytics to tell me something my eyes aren't seeing. My eyes saw Wilson woefully miss Austin on a couple short passes while not getting hit, no analytics needed. His CPOE will be low as hell because he's expected to make those throws.


Daniels made a spectacular TD throw while getting hit, his CPOE will get a huge bump, but I could see with my eyes what an amazing play that was.


and sample size, well yeah you posted a one game result



tbh I'm not trying to be anti analytics guy, I'd just like to understand better and having "computations" defined by estimations drives me crazy

[DamnYanks2]

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Oh great the Chiefs are on the verge of acquiring DHop. Mahomes could probably make the water boy into a decent receiver. Hate to see what he can do with a motivated Hopkins.

[mestevo]

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Steelers busy at the trade deadline, with an hour or so left:
- Rodgers sends them WR Mike Williams for a 5th
- Packers send them DE Preston Smith for a 7th

Commanders get CB Marshon Lattimore and a 5th, for a 3rd, 4th, 6th.

Cowboys send a 5th to Carolina for WR Jonathan Mingo and a 7th

NFL transactions: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-trade-d...regular-season

[LambertandHam]

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Steelers busy at the trade deadline, with an hour or so left:
- Rodgers sends them WR Mike Williams for a 5th
- Packers send them DE Preston Smith for a 7th

Commanders get CB Marshon Lattimore and a 5th, for a 3rd, 4th, 6th.

Cowboys send a 5th to Carolina for WR Jonathan Mingo and a 7th

NFL transactions: https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-trade-d...regular-season

I like the moves. Don't care about the 7th, a 5th is fine for Williams. Think Khan waited too long on WR tbh.

[adriano]

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Cowboys send a 5th to Carolina for WR Jonathan Mingo and a 7th

Dallas sent them a 4th rounder. Apparently Jerry hates picking in the
4th round. He is an idiot. They have multiple 5th rounders. They
overpaid yet again. His value was not a 4th, 5th sure that is fine.
Worst GM in football.

[mestevo]

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Article about what Clyde Edwards-Helaire is going through, the events that resulted in and then recently aggravated his PTSD, and have left him on the NFI list this season while he works through things.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2024/11/12/24294387/clyde-edwards-helaire-opens-up-about-mental-health-where-he-stands-now

[LowerWolf]

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49ers actually got an extension done early and without any drama. Glad to see Lenoir sticking around for awhile.

[mestevo]

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Rodgers fired his GM.

Unrelated, here comes in-season Hard Knocks.

https://youtu.be/dOacCz1ftP4?si=wieHmf80JLot3FzW

[cjonesfan921]

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Woody Johnson gone wild.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/593...benching-jets/

- Wanted Rodgers benched
- Forced Douglas to fire close friend and assistant GM
- Benched starting safety
- Overruled Douglas on contract negotiations

[steelerfan]

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Happy Anniversary to my fellow Steelers fans!

One year ago today, Matt Canuhduh was removed from his undeserved position as Offensive Coordinator of the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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