MVP Discussion Thread

[bigbob]

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I agree that AP is MVP on his Vikings team, but that doesn't make him the MVP of the league. What he is doing is incredible and he definitely desearves OPY, IMO. OPY is an individual award based on statistics where MVP is one where you place a guy on any marginal team and that team immediately becomes a Super Bowl contender.

If we had a half decent offensive coordinator, they would be a Super Bowl Contender. Adrian Peterson is the main reason we're even in the playoff hunt.

You take away Adrian Peterson, we're picking in the Top 3 in the Draft.

You put in Adrian Peterson, you're a team that can make it to the playoffs.

That's an MVP.

[wwharton]

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O rly?? :wink:

human (fan) nature to be a homer and pull for your guy to win the MVP. Just like I'm sure tons of Ravens fans were when Lewis ran for 2,000.

No they weren't. They were pushing for him to get OPOY... and rightfully so as that's the award for incredible individual statistical seasons.

No problem routing for "your guy" but some of the arguments and push behind them are getting a bit crazy.

Why would you have expected them to? Would you expect a bunch of Packer fans to fight for Lewis? How about Cowboys fans? Cardinals fans? Chiefs fans? *insert any of the other teams here* fans?

Awful, awful argument, well below your typical standards.

First, it wasn't an argument. It's a reaction to the clear homerism being shown in some of these posts.

But since you asked, I'd expect anyone to fight for who they think is a legit MVP candidate, considering none of us come here for the usual fan-boy conversations. In 2003 Lewis became (and is still today) 2nd on the list of most rushing yards in a season. With garbage around him on offense he led the Ravens to 10 wins, a playoff berth and the division title. Yet the discussion then was between Manning and McNair and they ended up sharing the award.

I think the mistake is you assume this is a ploy to say Lewis should've won it when I never thought he should. I bring him up because Peterson is having an eerily similar season and my feelings about him are no different than my feelings about Lewis at the time. Peterson still needs 254 yards, 3 TDs and 2 wins over the last two weeks to even be in a discussion comparing his season to Lewis. And (as I mentioned) most RBs who broke the 2,000 yard barrier didn't have many other options on offense but I only see Barry on the MVP list and he shared the award. So the "he has no one else" argument seems to fall on deaf ears with MVP voters.

So if you want me to pull at the heart strings of other teams' fans then how about Dickerson who holds the record? Terrell Davis had Elway but he broke 2,000 AND had 23 TDs. Who'd the Titans have in 2009 besides Chris Johnson?

[gopher_guy]

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No they weren't. They were pushing for him to get OPOY... and rightfully so as that's the award for incredible individual statistical seasons.

No problem routing for "your guy" but some of the arguments and push behind them are getting a bit crazy.

You're telling me there weren't a bunch of Ravens fans pushing for him to be the MVP? I guess I'll have to take your word for it. I think every time someone has a (near) record breaking season, you have those people from every fan base who tries to convince everyone else that he should be MVP.

[z Revis]

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Personally, what sticks out to me with Peterson this year isn't just his yards. It's his YPC. 6.3 yards per carry is crazy. Not historical I don't think(I'm pretty sure Jamaal Charles had 6. something a few years ago), but still very good and extremely efficient. AP doesn't have the most attempts this year yet has 400+ more yards than the next rushing leader.

[wwharton]

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You're telling me there weren't a bunch of Ravens fans pushing for him to be the MVP? I guess I'll have to take your word for it. I think every time someone has a (near) record breaking season, you have those people from every fan base who tries to convince everyone else that he should be MVP.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm telling you. It'd be hard to prove but we were yapping it up around here back then. Maybe there is an old thread or two you can dig up. There may have been talk about how it's a shame he isn't part of the MVP discussion but there wasn't an argument about whether or not he was going to win.

[gopher_guy]

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Yep, that's exactly what I'm telling you. It'd be hard to prove but we were yapping it up around here back then. Maybe there is an old thread or two you can dig up. There may have been talk about how it's a shame he isn't part of the MVP discussion but there wasn't an argument about whether or not he was going to win.

Who even won the award that year? Was there an outstanding QB performance that won it? If that was the case this year, I certainly wouldn't think Adrian should win the MVP.

[z Revis]

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Who even won the award that year? Was there an outstanding QB performance that won it? If that was the case this year, I certainly wouldn't think Adrian should win the MVP.

Peyton and McNair were co-MVP's that year. Neither had outstanding seasons when you look at what the top QB's are doing nowadays though. Peyton threw for 29 TD's, 10 picks, and 4200 yards. Seems like every top QB does that now, if not better.

[55]

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That was the year where McNair didn't even practice at all for pretty much the entire season, too. He sat out practice all week, every week due to various leg injuries but still willed his team to the playoffs and a 12-4 record.

[wwharton]

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That was the year where McNair didn't even practice at all for pretty much the entire season, too. He sat out practice all week, every week due to various leg injuries but still willed his team to the playoffs and a 12-4 record.

Yeah the big question was whether or not McNair's efforts would be ignored... everyone pretty much had it going to Peyton.

[Bmore Irish]

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this is what i'm starting to think:

MVP: Adrian Peterson
OPOY: Calvin Johnson
Come Back: Peyton Manning

that is just my opinion of course, and Peterson and Manning could be switched in my mind depending on how these last two go. it's crazy that, at least to me, Megatron had so quietly approached and broke arguably the greatest-receiver-of-all-time's single season record

[mestevo]

If he doesn't get the 208 yards needed in a Vikings win over the Packers next week I could see him missing out on all if the above, with comeback going to Manning, Megatron getting OPOY and Brady or Manning taking MVP.

Even just breaking the 2k mark but not the record I'm not sure he will win either, especially MVP.

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[jth1331]

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I don't think Calvin's year is better than Peterson's. The TD's are what kill it for me.

[wwharton]

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I don't think Calvin's year is better than Peterson's. The TD's are what kill it for me.

11 TDs by a RB isn't anything to write home about. I'd actually say it's comparable to 5 for a WR.

[realtalktruth]

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11 TDs by a RB isn't anything to write home about. I'd actually say it's comparable to 5 for a WR.

Are you sure about that? 11 TDs is usually good for the top 5 RB's in the league while 5 TD's won't even get you in the top 30 at WR.

My main gripe regarding MVP is the fact that people consider it "The" award and thus it isn't really about what the letters stand for... Most Valuable Player. Which is why I hear a lot of arguments for Manning that basically translates to.... "It's not fair/ you shouldn't punish Manning for not being the most valuable player on his team".

Yes you should... because that's the MVP. There isn't a reward for a player making his team a Super Bowl contender and playing outstanding so everyone wants to give them the MVP award. I understand where they are coming from even though I believe rewards should go to people that go two levels beyond outstanding. But when you do that, someone playing two levels beyond outstanding on a worst team and who actually is the MVP doesn't get the reward.

I just feel like instead of picking the most valuable player as the MVP the person picked is instead the one that is "close enough" while having the best record. So why not pick someone that is a little less close but has a better record?

That's why Adrian Peterson is the MVP for me.

[Bmore Irish]

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don't get me wrong, AD can still get the record, but what if he doesn't but the Vikes win next week and make the playoffs? i say give it to him