MVP Discussion Thread

[MachineGunLotto]

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Generalizing what

He just hates us Falcons fans. He's just trolling.

[Candyman5]

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Not sure if AP would win it. It's a great story, but I don't see them making the playoffs.

This is the BS that the NFL/NCAA always does. So what if a player doesnt have the wins and such, if they have the ridiculous stats they should win.

Even MVP/Heisman gets skewed because of that crap.

Anyway I see Adrian getting Comeback Player and not MVP unless he gets to the 2000 yard mark which realistically he could. He has 1446 yards and needs to average 138.5 in each of the next 4 games against: Bears, Falcons, StL, Packers. Will it be tough, yes. Is it possible, absolutely with the way Adrian is running the ball. 6 Straight games of 100 yards or more. Only thing in his way are 2 stout defenses and the high chance that we will be trailing most of those games along with Musgrave playcalling.

[TheMatrix31]

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Peterson can get Offensive Player of the Year and not get MVP. That's the award that the guys with the stats should get.

[Candyman5]

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Peterson can get Offensive Player of the Year and not get MVP. That's the award that the guys with the stats should get.

But doesnt the MVP award go to the player that means the most to their team with the stats to prove it? If so then I highly doubt we win 4 games without Adrian however look at what the Broncos did without Peyton last year. Not taking anything away from his performance or anything but I am just making sure I understand the MVP "criteria". Even Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have a shot for what they mean to each others team as well. Maybe I am over thinking things.

Are there any other awards that I am forgetting about that may be used in the conversation.

[StanleyStutters]

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But doesnt the MVP award go to the player that means the most to their team with the stats to prove it? If so then I highly doubt we win 4 games without Adrian however look at what the Broncos did without Peyton last year. Not taking anything away from his performance or anything but I am just making sure I understand the MVP "criteria". Even Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have a shot for what they mean to each others team as well. Maybe I am over thinking things.

Are there any other awards that I am forgetting about that may be used in the conversation.

The impact a player has on his team is a big part of winning the MVP, but Denver would not be nearly as good without Peyton. They did win 9 games last year (counting playoffs), but out of those 9 games they won eight of them by 7 points or fewer and 4 of them in OT. So far this year they've won 9 games and only one of them was by 7 points or fewer. Also the 2011 team scored 30+ points a total of 2 times, the 2012 team has already hit that number 8 times.

As for Peterson he has been tremendous all season long and has also had a major impact on his team. He definitely deserves some recognition for his play this year (especially coming off of an injury), but I doubt he takes home the MVP. He'll be in the running, but the NFL focuses on the QBs and if Minnesota misses the playoffs that will hurt Peterson's chances as well (voters in any sport rarely give the award to a player whose team misses the playoffs).

[roadman]

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This is the BS that the NFL/NCAA always does. So what if a player doesnt have the wins and such, if they have the ridiculous stats they should win.

Even MVP/Heisman gets skewed because of that crap.

Anyway I see Adrian getting Comeback Player and not MVP unless he gets to the 2000 yard mark which realistically he could. He has 1446 yards and needs to average 138.5 in each of the next 4 games against: Bears, Falcons, StL, Packers. Will it be tough, yes. Is it possible, absolutely with the way Adrian is running the ball. 6 Straight games of 100 yards or more. Only thing in his way are 2 stout defenses and the high chance that we will be trailing most of those games along with Musgrave playcalling.

Well, is it fair if Peterson get's his 2000 yds and the Vikes don't get into the playoffs, is that fair to a Matt Ryan or whoever who helps propel their team to the playoffs?

I can only think of Andre Dawson in baseball in recent history when he won the MVP award in 1987 for the last place Cubs.

So, it's rare when there is a MVP in football and there team doesn't reach the playoffs.

Not taking anything away with AP and the season he's having.

[kehlis]

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But doesnt the MVP award go to the player that means the most to their team with the stats to prove it? If so then I highly doubt we win 4 games without Adrian however look at what the Broncos did without Peyton last year. Not taking anything away from his performance or anything but I am just making sure I understand the MVP "criteria". Even Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have a shot for what they mean to each others team as well. Maybe I am over thinking things.

Are there any other awards that I am forgetting about that may be used in the conversation.

Sorry but if your only argument is what the Broncos did last year that's a pretty bad sign.

[cjonesfan921]

Von and JJ make grest cases too, but barring a miracle, I don't see how it isn't Peyton.

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[Candyman5]

Von and JJ make grest cases too, but barring a miracle, I don't see how it isn't Peyton.

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I'm not saying I would be upset if Peyton wins it, I just get mad when wins are part of the equation but it is what is is. Adrian probably has comeback player of the year on lock. Offensive POTY will prob go to Brady.

[bkrich83]

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I'm not saying I would be upset if Peyton wins it, I just get mad when wins are part of the equation but it is what is is. Adrian probably has comeback player of the year on lock. Offensive POTY will prob go to Brady.

Pretty sure Peyton Manning will factor in to comeback player of the year.

Basically broke his neck and just led the Broncos to the division title, and has played lights out.

Between him and AP, not sure who I would vote for.

[kingkilla56]

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Id vote for AP over Manning. Admittingly I havent done any research on any players outside of my own team. I'll wait till the season were over to really think about it.

[redsrule]

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My top 5 is this (even though I am probably leaving people out)
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
JJ Watt
Geno Atkins
Adrian Peterson

[wwharton]

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This is the BS that the NFL/NCAA always does. So what if a player doesnt have the wins and such, if they have the ridiculous stats they should win.

Even MVP/Heisman gets skewed because of that crap.

Anyway I see Adrian getting Comeback Player and not MVP unless he gets to the 2000 yard mark which realistically he could. He has 1446 yards and needs to average 138.5 in each of the next 4 games against: Bears, Falcons, StL, Packers. Will it be tough, yes. Is it possible, absolutely with the way Adrian is running the ball. 6 Straight games of 100 yards or more. Only thing in his way are 2 stout defenses and the high chance that we will be trailing most of those games along with Musgrave playcalling.

But doesnt the MVP award go to the player that means the most to their team with the stats to prove it? If so then I highly doubt we win 4 games without Adrian however look at what the Broncos did without Peyton last year. Not taking anything away from his performance or anything but I am just making sure I understand the MVP "criteria". Even Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers have a shot for what they mean to each others team as well. Maybe I am over thinking things.

Are there any other awards that I am forgetting about that may be used in the conversation.

I'm not saying I would be upset if Peyton wins it, I just get mad when wins are part of the equation but it is what is is. Adrian probably has comeback player of the year on lock. Offensive POTY will prob go to Brady.

Wins is the MOST important "stat" for MVP bc the whole point is what the player's contributions did for the team. In that sense, yes the Vikings would win 4 games without him so it's clear he's having that type of impact, but so are all the other players in consideration. And since it's about the effect they have on team's success, if a team is successful to the tune of winning their division or getting to the playoffs, that's always going to trump insane stats that just gets you to an "okay" record.

As someone mentioned, they have another award for that situation... OPOY. BTW, Jamal Lewis was in the exact same situation years ago. Internet talk like this wasn't AS big back then, but not even in Baltimore was there a huff about him not being considered an MVP candidate at all. I think the mistake in a lot of sports discussions is only looking at things from your favorite player/team's perspective and not considering all of the other players/teams they are competing against. AP has a hell of a resume to make a case but others have better cases.

[jth1331]

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My top 5 is this (even though I am probably leaving people out)
Peyton Manning
Tom Brady
JJ Watt
Geno Atkins
Adrian Peterson

How is Von Miller not in your top 5, especially ahead of Atkins?

Wins is the MOST important "stat" for MVP bc the whole point is what the player's contributions did for the team. In that sense, yes the Vikings would win 4 games without him so it's clear he's having that type of impact, but so are all the other players in consideration. And since it's about the effect they have on team's success, if a team is successful to the tune of winning their division or getting to the playoffs, that's always going to trump insane stats that just gets you to an "okay" record.

As someone mentioned, they have another award for that situation... OPOY. BTW, Jamal Lewis was in the exact same situation years ago. Internet talk like this wasn't AS big back then, but not even in Baltimore was there a huff about him not being considered an MVP candidate at all. I think the mistake in a lot of sports discussions is only looking at things from your favorite player/team's perspective and not considering all of the other players/teams they are competing against. AP has a hell of a resume to make a case but others have better cases.

I agree wins are pretty important for a MVP, unless a player has an absolutely stellar season.
And people need to stop comparing this Broncos team to last years. Last year, the Broncos had crazy freakin miracles to win. Still remember the Bears game where Marion Barber goes out of bounds to save the Broncos time to get a field goal, and then fumbles in OT when the Bears are in field goal range. Broncos flat out got extremely lucky last year.
This year? Peyton actually has opposing teams scared of giving the Broncos the ball on offense. Broncos are 9-3, locked up the AFC West and eyeing the #2 seed, which they have a realistic shot at.

[wwharton]

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How is Von Miller not in your top 5, especially ahead of Atkins?



I agree wins are pretty important for a MVP, unless a player has an absolutely stellar season.
And people need to stop comparing this Broncos team to last years. Last year, the Broncos had crazy freakin miracles to win. Still remember the Bears game where Marion Barber goes out of bounds to save the Broncos time to get a field goal, and then fumbles in OT when the Bears are in field goal range. Broncos flat out got extremely lucky last year.
This year? Peyton actually has opposing teams scared of giving the Broncos the ball on offense. Broncos are 9-3, locked up the AFC West and eyeing the #2 seed, which they have a realistic shot at.

More than realistic since they play the Ravens in a couple of weeks.