MVP Discussion Thread

[Bdubb]

Hey take away Manning and Colts are one of the worst teams in the NFL. Insert Andrew Luck and they are a respectable football team. Redskins were a joke as well without RG 3.

So I will stick by that logic because QB in today's game is most valuable position to there team. If you start off game 14 to 0 against vikings can they just run to AP? No they're goin to have to throw the ball you can't run when behind with best RB cough Arian Foster last night cough. I'm sorry the NFL has changed QBs are too important to a teams sucess in the modern game. While AP is valuable he is not the most valuable in league. You can disagree I don't take offense.

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[kehlis]

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Hey take away Manning and Colts are one of the worst teams in the NFL. Insert Andrew Luck and they are a respectable football team. Redskins were a joke as well without RG 3.

So I will stick by that logic because QB in today's game is most valuable position to there team. If you start off game 14 to 0 against vikings can they just run to AP? No they're goin to have to throw the ball you can't run when behind with best RB cough Arian Foster last night cough. I'm sorry the NFL has changed QBs are too important to a teams sucess in the modern game. While AP is valuable he is not the most valuable in league. You can disagree I don't take offense.

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Very good points.

Broncos were running the ball well with McGahee and with Moreno taking his place, the running game hasn't missed a beat.

[gopher_guy]

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Hey take away Manning and Colts are one of the worst teams in the NFL. Insert Andrew Luck and they are a respectable football team. Redskins were a joke as well without RG 3.

So I will stick by that logic because QB in today's game is most valuable position to there team. If you start off game 14 to 0 against vikings can they just run to AP? No they're goin to have to throw the ball you can't run when behind with best RB cough Arian Foster last night cough. I'm sorry the NFL has changed QBs are too important to a teams sucess in the modern game. While AP is valuable he is not the most valuable in league. You can disagree I don't take offense.

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So, in your mind, the MVP should be awarded to the best QB every year?

[BleacherBum2310]

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So, in your mind, the MVP should be awarded to the best QB every year?

9 of the last 11 have.

[Bdubb]

Yah until the game reverts back to how it was played in past before emphasis on elite QBs, rule changes reversed and every QB is a game manager like Alex Smith and all the best teams play ground and pound, hard Defense. Tough to say if that would ever happen. (I'm exaggerating a tad but you catch my drift)

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[gopher_guy]

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9 of the last 11 have.

Yeah, in most years a QB is the right choice. However, I think it's a little narrow minded to only consider one position for the award.

Hope I haven't made myself look like too much of a homer. I like to think I can take off the purple glasses and look at this objectively.

[Bdubb]

Yeah, in most years a QB is the right choice. However, I think it's a little narrow minded to only consider one position for the award.

Hope I haven't made myself look like too much of a homer. I like to think I can take off the purple glasses and look at this objectively.

Hey that's how I feel it is based on how I've seen the way game is played, QB oriented league. AP is a freak no doubt about it. Best RB in the league, just because I'm saying oriented league for QBs doesn't discount fact that he punishes Defenses and is a nightmare for a Defense and is biggest asset the Vikings have. Sure something we can agree on.

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[JODYE]

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Let's please pretend like the Colts didn't check out to ensure that number one pick.

Sure, they weren't going to be better without Manning, but this turnaround is not at all as surprising as some make it out to be.

I also hate that thinking that the best QB has to win it. If that's the case, why don't they just give out an MVP for the 4 skill positions and a guy on defense? This will prevent this pick a side type debate from happening. Then we can debate who the MVP is at each position, instead of trying to decipher which position is more important to a teams success.

[da ThRONe]

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Yeah, in most years a QB is the right choice. However, I think it's a little narrow minded to only consider one position for the award.

Hope I haven't made myself look like too much of a homer. I like to think I can take off the purple glasses and look at this objectively.

For me the fact that the league is geared towards the QB spot makes what Peterson is doing even more impressive. To me he is my MVP as of today.

[Bmore Irish]

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what AD is doing is pretty amazing, not just the injury comeback, that's been done, but the fact that teams know he's the guy and they still can't stop him. I don't think he'll break Dickerson's single season record, but if he does then he's the number one in my book.

But I'm conflicted. Peyton is doing his usual surgery on the field, no pun intended, after his own procedures that were pretty serious. I mean everyone was questioning whether he was gonna be playing anymore. I think what pushes Manning to my number one spot is the fact that his team is relevant in the best kinda way, dare I say Super Bowl contenders in a weak AFC.

edit: am i the only one using AD? his nickname is AD, aka All Day.

double edit: Tom Brady is probably the leader right now.

[gopher_guy]

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edit: am i the only one using AD? his nickname is AD, aka All Day.

jk jk :wink:

[z Revis]

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Let's please pretend like the Colts didn't check out to ensure that number one pick.

Sure, they weren't going to be better without Manning, but this turnaround is not at all as surprising as some make it out to be.

I also hate that thinking that the best QB has to win it. If that's the case, why don't they just give out an MVP for the 4 skill positions and a guy on defense? This will prevent this pick a side type debate from happening. Then we can debate who the MVP is at each position, instead of trying to decipher which position is more important to a teams success.

To think a team full of players that consistently won 12+ games a year, played in Super Bowls, etc. gave up their pride and intentionally lost 13 straight to ensure a #1 pick is ridiculous to me. You think they chose to lose games to get Peyton Manning out of town and put all their money on an unproven rookie? Seriously...

Not to mention that this years version of the Colts is VERY different from last years. Peyton isn't the only player the Colts lost. That entire organization is different from top to bottom. So, yes, the turnaround is surprising.


ANYWAY, I hope AP wins it just for the mere change. I get tired of seeing QB's win these type of awards every year, but you can't disagree with the reasoning. It is the most important position on the field. Not really a coincidence that most great teams that contend for SB's in the NFL have good quarterbacks.

That said I think it hinges on whether the Vikings make the Playoffs. Even though Minnesota might be in the running for a top 5 pick without Peterson, they're still barely over .500 with him.

[thedudedominick]

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As a Vikings fan I can say this with complete confidence. Without AP the Vikings win maybe, maybe 3 games this season. Ponder is terrible, that loss a couple weeks ago where he threw two redzone INTs I was yelling at my TV, give the ball to AP 3 times and kick a FG if you don't score.

MVP, Most Valuable Player. I think a lot of people lost sight of what the award is supposed to be based on stats and wins. Of the players in the running, which team has the biggest drop off without that player? The Packers have a great offensive system in which Matt Flynn looked amazing the game he played last season. The Patriots as well have a great system, one that got Matt Cassell a huge contract. The actual system a team his is huge. The offensive minds in GB and NE are amazing. Their play design is just incredible. Yes Rodgers and Brady are great QBs, and always find the right guys within their system, but to a big extent any average or above QB can find the open guys with well designed plays.

In my mind currently the MVP race is between Peterson and Manning. Manning went in and pretty much changed the entire Broncos offense. I mean earlier in this thread people were talking about who had the best weapons around them and Decker/Thomas were mentioned. These guys have had huge seasons because of Manning.

If the Vikings make the playoffs, and that is a big if, then I believe Peterson should win the award. The Vikings would be in consideration for the number 1 pick without him. What he is doing with defenses knowing he is the only source of offense is ridiculous. Especially since Harvin is out this Vikings team has no other options.

And before anyone says it, yes i know how valuable these QBs are to their teams in a QB driven league. Normally I am 100 percent behind giving it to the best QB, but as a Vikings fan who watches every game there is no doubt in my mind what player truly is the most valuable to his team.

[StanleyStutters]

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As a Vikings fan I can say this with complete confidence. Without AP the Vikings win maybe, maybe 3 games this season. Ponder is terrible, that loss a couple weeks ago where he threw two redzone INTs I was yelling at my TV, give the ball to AP 3 times and kick a FG if you don't score.

MVP, Most Valuable Player. I think a lot of people lost sight of what the award is supposed to be based on stats and wins. Of the players in the running, which team has the biggest drop off without that player? The Packers have a great offensive system in which Matt Flynn looked amazing the game he played last season. The Patriots as well have a great system, one that got Matt Cassell a huge contract. The actual system a team his is huge. The offensive minds in GB and NE are amazing. Their play design is just incredible. Yes Rodgers and Brady are great QBs, and always find the right guys within their system, but to a big extent any average or above QB can find the open guys with well designed plays.

In my mind currently the MVP race is between Peterson and Manning. Manning went in and pretty much changed the entire Broncos offense. I mean earlier in this thread people were talking about who had the best weapons around them and Decker/Thomas were mentioned. These guys have had huge seasons because of Manning.

If the Vikings make the playoffs, and that is a big if, then I believe Peterson should win the award. The Vikings would be in consideration for the number 1 pick without him. What he is doing with defenses knowing he is the only source of offense is ridiculous. Especially since Harvin is out this Vikings team has no other options.

And before anyone says it, yes i know how valuable these QBs are to their teams in a QB driven league. Normally I am 100 percent behind giving it to the best QB, but as a Vikings fan who watches every game there is no doubt in my mind what player truly is the most valuable to his team.

I get what you're saying, but I think making the decision based solely on whose team would have the biggest drop off is the wrong way to do it. Why should an elite player be punished because his team's front office surrounded him with talent? And why should another elite player be rewarded because his team failed to put a more talented team around him?

Also I think you're point about Brady is overvaluing the Patriots' system and undervaluing Brady. Sure, Cassel did well here, but he had a 16-0 team that added DROY Jerod Mayo in the draft. That team was stacked and up against a soft schedule, but they had a 5 win dropoff and missed the playoffs with Cassel. If Brady was gone this year and someone like Cassel or Mallett was behind center this Patriots team would be significantly worse. We probably wouldn't be as bad as MIN w/o Peterson, but we definitely wouldn't be a SB contender.

I have nothing against Peterson the guy has been amazing this year. Coming off that injury and putting up ridiculous numbers he definitely deserves some recognition. And if he does win MVP I'll have no problem with it because he does deserve it. I just don't think Brady's play this year should be overlooked because Belichick is great at his job.

[thedudedominick]

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I get what you're saying, but I think making the decision based solely on whose team would have the biggest drop off is the wrong way to do it. Why should an elite player be punished because his team's front office surrounded him with talent? And why should another elite player be rewarded because his team failed to put a more talented team around him?

Also I think you're point about Brady is overvaluing the Patriots' system and undervaluing Brady. Sure, Cassel did well here, but he had a 16-0 team that added DROY Jerod Mayo in the draft. That team was stacked and up against a soft schedule, but they had a 5 win dropoff and missed the playoffs with Cassel. If Brady was gone this year and someone like Cassel or Mallett was behind center this Patriots team would be significantly worse. We probably wouldn't be as bad as MIN w/o Peterson, but we definitely wouldn't be a SB contender.

I have nothing against Peterson the guy has been amazing this year. Coming off that injury and putting up ridiculous numbers he definitely deserves some recognition. And if he does win MVP I'll have no problem with it because he does deserve it. I just don't think Brady's play this year should be overlooked because Belichick is great at his job.

Brady is a great QB and definitely top 3 in the league no doubt about that. As much as I dislike the Patriots or Brady they do things the right way. His coaching staff puts him in a position to take advantage of defenses. He does a lot of it at the line with checks and changing up the play to take advantage of the defense. All of that is on Brady. The pre-snap adjustments and everything else of that nature. Not every QB, if any would be putting up the numbers Brady does for the Patriots with that team. Yes they would be successful, but not as successful. If they get the number 1 seed in the AFC it will be hard to argue against Brady for MVP. With the Vikings Peterson makes the difference between a top 5 draft pick and a possible playoff birth. With Brady the difference for the Pats is a wildcard spot or Home Field throughout the playoffs. Both of those are huge differences and really tell you the value of both of these players to their teams.