MVP Discussion Thread

[kehlis]

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Yes I seen what the Broncos did with Tebow, the made the playoffs and beat the Steelers with him. I don't see how it was this much of a surprise that if Peyton could play even remotely close to what he usually does that the Broncos were going to be deadly this year.

So what does most valuable player mean to you then if you are admitting that one player can make a team deadly?

[TheShizNo1]

I would love to see JJ Watt win it.

[wwharton]

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Yes I seen what the Broncos did with Tebow, the made the playoffs and beat the Steelers with him. I don't see how it was this much of a surprise that if Peyton could play even remotely close to what he usually does that the Broncos were going to be deadly this year.

I am not taking anything away from Manning, IMO there should be a Co-MVP and CO-Comeback POTY this year but IMO where a player played the year before should not make a difference. Just the way I feel about it.

OPOTY should be Brady or Rodgers, even Calvin Johnson if theres a Co-MVP.

If that's what you take from the Broncos last year then you didn't see them play... didn't even watch the highlights. You just know the end result of the story.

[TheShizNo1]

In general I see where Candyman is coming from. Last year should have no impact on the current year's award.

[z Revis]

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It should be Co-MVP and Co-Comeback Player of the Year between Peyton and Peterson in my opinion. I said before if Peterson breaks the record and gets into the Playoffs the award is his(and I won't slight him for not breaking the record.. he was 9 yards short), but taking a look at Peytons statistics it's hard to not give it to him as well after he put the Broncos into the top spot in the AFC yesterday. 37 TD's, 11 picks, 4600 yards and close to 70% completion. Ridiculous.

[wwharton]

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In general I see where Candyman is coming from. Last year should have no impact on the current year's award.

It doesn't. But if you want to erase the fact that Manning has pretty much taught this entire team the offense he wanted to run, ran it to perfection, made a bunch of players around him better and got the team to the #1 seed, then you're crazy. That's MVP material right there, and has nothing to do with where he was or where the Broncos were last year.

It should be Co-MVP and Co-Comeback Player of the Year between Peyton and Peterson in my opinion. I said before if Peterson breaks the record and gets into the Playoffs the award is his(and I won't slight him for not breaking the record.. he was 9 yards short), but taking a look at Peytons statistics it's hard to not give it to him as well after he put the Broncos into the top spot in the AFC yesterday. 37 TD's, 11 picks, 4600 yards and close to 70% completion. Ridiculous.

I think I'd be okay with them splitting but I'd still give it to Peyton if it only goes to one.

[shotgun styles]

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You already know what I'm gonna say, AP ALL THE WAY!

But he won't win because he plays the wrong position. Running just ain't sexy no more...

[kehlis]

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In general I see where Candyman is coming from. Last year should have no impact on the current year's award.

I 100% agree but one of the biggest arguments that people are making for AP is the fact that the Broncos were a playoff team last year.

Double edge sword.

[Dog]

Still Adrian Peterson, but can't go wrong with either him or Peyton


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[TRC]

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IMO if people want to keep bringing up that Peyton learned a new system then people should be able to bring up last year as well. That to me is basically saying the Adrian should be hurt in the MVP race because he stayed on the same team. Its beyond stupid.

How did you get that notion from my last post? It is just a fact that not only did Payton not play last year, but he is playing on a different team altogether THIS year. Did you not see the 6 miracles of Tebow that will never be duplicated? Not to mention the fact that the Tebow offense is diametrically opposed to Manning's offense. The fact that Manning has just played his 2nd best season of his career with an entirely new team AND has taken that team to a #1 seed in the AFC HAS to be considered when debating league MVP. To not do so is "beyond stupid"...IMO.

[Candyman5]

I 100% agree but one of the biggest arguments that people are making for AP is the fact that the Broncos were a playoff team last year.

Double edge sword.

I only use that statement when I hear about the he came into a new system phrase.

[Evan_OS]

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I haven't read the whole thread, just the past couple of pages so if I'm missing something let me know.

The argument that Peyton Manning didn't play last year shouldn't really mean anything. MVP is a year by year thing, meaning you shouldn't be counting the year before in your resume to win the MVP. If we're going to count the last two seasons to then give me Drew Brees. Passed for over 5,000 yards the past two seasons and he threw 40+ TD's this season and led the team to a serviceable record this year considering that defense was horrid.

As far as the who deserves it better Peyton or AP, I think it's too close and should be a Co-MVP. If I had to pick though, give me AP. Without AP the Vikings wouldn't even be in playoff discussion. Last year without Manning the Broncos still managed to win the division and win a playoff game.

Just my two cents.

[BlueNGold]

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I haven't read the whole thread, just the past couple of pages so if I'm missing something let me know.

The argument that Peyton Manning didn't play last year shouldn't really mean anything. MVP is a year by year thing, meaning you shouldn't be counting the year before in your resume to win the MVP. If we're going to count the last two seasons to then give me Drew Brees. Passed for over 5,000 yards the past two seasons and he threw 40+ TD's this season and led the team to a serviceable record this year considering that defense was horrid.

As far as the who deserves it better Peyton or AP, I think it's too close and should be a Co-MVP. If I had to pick though, give me AP. Without AP the Vikings wouldn't even be in playoff discussion. Last year without Manning the Broncos still managed to win the division and win a playoff game.

Just my two cents.

So it shouldn't mean anything that Peyton didn't play last year but it should mean something that the Broncos made the playoffs last year?

[Evan_OS]

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So it shouldn't mean anything that Peyton didn't play last year but it should mean something that the Broncos made the playoffs last year?

My point was the Broncos were already a decent team. It's not like AP where without the AP, the Vikings would probably be nothing. There's a difference between talking about how good the team already was before Manning was on the team, and saying a player should be voted MVP over the other candidate because he didn't play last year.

[Jr.]

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Bill Barnwell (writer for Grantland) has a great article explaining why he thinks Adrian Peterson should win the MVP.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8795480/bill-barnwell-becoming-playoff-team-rest-week-17-news

Even that doesn't truly express how rare Peterson's performance was, though. There are 158 instances of a running back carrying the ball 300 times or more in a season since 1990. Those backs averaged 4.3 yards per carry. Peterson's figure of 6.0 yards per run is 3.1 standard deviations above the mean; it's a true statistical outlier, a stunningly rare occurrence amid players with this sort of workload.
To try to put that into context, consider that there have been 197 instances since 1990 of a quarterback throwing 500 passes in a given season. A player with a workload<sup id="reffoot3">3</sup> for quarterbacks very similar to that of Peterson for running backs, coincidentally, is this year's edition of Peyton Manning. Manning has thrown 583 passes this year while averaging a robust 8.0 yards per pass attempt. That, however, is just 1.2 standard deviations above the mean yards-per-attempt figure posted by the average quarterback with 500 passes or more. If Manning was producing yards at a similar level to Peterson — 3.1 standard deviations above the mean in terms of yards per attempt — he would be averaging 9.3 yards per pass attempt. And if Peyton Manning was averaging 9.3 yards per pass attempt this year with the same workload, he would have 5,421 passing yards, which would be enough to place him just behind Drew Brees's 2011 season on the all-time leaderboard for passing yards in a season. In short and without math: Adrian Peterson is playing at a level so much better than the average workhorse running back that you simply have to give him the MVP award.