Aaron Hernandez Saga

**rangerrick012** · 07-02-2013, 05:20 PM

Still it's a big jump from say this guy might be the next Pacman to this guy might be the next OJ

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**Bmore Irish** · 07-02-2013, 05:22 PM

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Originally posted by TheShizNo1

They could've known about all that stuff about Hernandez. They drafted him because they thought he'd help them win games. They weren't wrong.

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Correct. Then that's the point of asking them questions. That's what the Patriot way is all about to them maybe, winning games at all costs. That would certainly make them a lot more like many other teams in the league. Hell, I'm pretty sure there have been some real talented dudes in this game who have done less than Hernandez has and they got dropped pretty damn quickly.

**dsallupinyaarea** · 07-02-2013, 05:24 PM

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No one is saying they're responsible for his actions. It's just when people say "they cut him right away, they did the right thing, Patriot Way, etc." I roll my eyes. I believe they had a strong idea what kind of person he was (not a murderer, but certainly not the Patriot Way) and they kept him on their roster until they were absolutely sure he had no football value left.

ALOT of other teams would definitely be fielding "how did they miss this?" questions right now.

**TheShizNo1** · 07-02-2013, 05:28 PM

They don't do anything any different from any other pro team. They just do things better.

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**kehlis** · 07-02-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally posted by Bmore Irish

Correct. Then that's the point of asking them questions. That's what the Patriot way is all about to them maybe, winning games at all costs. That would certainly make them a lot more like many other teams in the league. Hell, I'm pretty sure there have been some real talented dudes in this game who have done less than Hernandez has and they got dropped pretty damn quickly.

I just don't get it.

To what end would we be doing this? What questions are burning that are going to change anything at all.

Who's to say that if they didn't take any adverse action earlier something like this wouldn't have happened a while ago.

I just don't get what questions we are asking and what we are trying to accomplish?

**areobee401** · 07-02-2013, 05:31 PM

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Originally posted by yankeesgiants

With the exception of Ron Borgas & Dan Shaughnessy, name another member of the Boston media that is not kiss *** lapdog that considers themselves part of the organization in some way?

Very true. Local media are lapdogs for the Patriots more than any other team around here. More so than the Red Sox. Which if you live around here, you'd know is hard to accomplish.

Guess I just thought someone would step up and press them on the matter.

Originally posted by rangerrick012

So Kraft/belichick should have known that one of their players was going to be a murdery-murderer? It would be stupid to hold them accountable on any level for Hernandez actions.

Yeah he had character issues but so do a majority of guys in pro sports. It's a big jump from this guy has character issues to this guy could be a murderer some day. No one could have predicted this turn of events.

First I never said anything about them knowing Hernandez would be a murderer. So lets not make assumptions here.

The point is New England has been benefiting from the whole "Patriots Way" crap for a long time now. They've brought in questionable characters via free agency recently and drafted players who are questionable as well.

I just think someone in the media should call them out on it. They've gone away from the beliefs they want everyone to think they stand for.

Guess you have to be around here to get what I'm saying. Clearly most of you don't get it.

**NDAlum** · 07-02-2013, 05:32 PM

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Exactly. What's done is done. Other teams will have to learn from it. Nothing they say will change what transpired.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 07-02-2013, 05:32 PM

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I believe they had a strong idea what kind of person he was (not a murderer, but certainly not the Patriot Way) and they kept him on their roster until they were absolutely sure he had no football value left.

In other words, they did what the majority of teams would do in that as long as they can play and be a significant contributor to their team, they'll overlook the off the field nonsense regardless of what it is.

ALOT of other teams would definitely be fielding "how did they miss this?" questions right now.

And I guarantee you'd get ALOT of the "No comment" or "We've moved on and we're focused on the players that are actually on this team" answers from those other teams as well.

Guess you have to be around here to get what I'm saying. Clearly most of you don't get it.

Speaking for myself, I get it. I live in a city where pro athletes have been getting locked up left and right for years. But I also know pressing them out for answers we KNOW we're not going to get isn't going to change anything nor is there anything to gain from it.

**Bmore Irish** · 07-02-2013, 05:34 PM

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Originally posted by kehlis

I just don't get it.

To what end would we be doing this? What questions are burning that are going to change anything at all.

Who's to say that if they didn't take any adverse action earlier something like this wouldn't have happened a while ago.

I just don't get what questions we are asking and what we are trying to accomplish?

Quite frankly, I don't care if these questions are ever asked or not, I already have my opinion of the Patriots organization. I just don't understand what everyone else doesn't get about this. It's essentially calling them out on the "Patriot Way". What is it exactly, in reality, versus what they've upheld it as?

I simply said from the beginning that I can understand questioning why Hernandez was allowed to get away with what he has for as long as he has. It has nothing to do with changing the course of history, as far as his own personal actions. It's a questioning of what's really important. I think we all already know the answer in professional sports, but now everyone is acting as if there hasn't always been this notion that the "Patriot Way" is different and better? Really? Is that not a bit of hindsight bias there?

**dsallupinyaarea** · 07-02-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by ProfessaPackMan

In other words, they did what the majority of teams would do in that as long as they can play and be a significant contributor to their team, they'll overlook the off the field nonsense regardless of what it is.

Right, but media types and fans seem to think the Patriots have a higher standard. They haven't in awhile and they still get credit for it. That's what we're saying.

**ProfessaPackMan** · 07-02-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea

Right, but media types and fans seem to think the Patriots have a higher standard. They haven't in awhile and they still get credit for it. That's what we're saying.

We've never given a damn what the Media thought before so why would we all of a sudden start now?

We're acting like the "Patriot Way" is some type of Law or Book written in Stone when it reality it's just a phrase that the team themselves came up with LOL. The funny thing is just about every team has a similar title for their own team. I know the Packers have the "Packer Way" and I'm sure the Texans have the "Texan Way" or the Steelers have the "Steeler Way", etc, etc.

**TheShizNo1** · 07-02-2013, 05:44 PM

I'd hope it would be the "Steel Way".

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**kehlis** · 07-02-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally posted by Bmore Irish

Quite frankly, I don't care if these questions are ever asked or not, I already have my opinion of the Patriots organization. I just don't understand what everyone else doesn't get about this. It's essentially calling them out on the "Patriot Way". What is it exactly, in reality, versus what they've upheld it as?

I simply said from the beginning that I can understand questioning why Hernandez was allowed to get away with what he has for as long as he has. It has nothing to do with changing the course of history, as far as his own personal actions. It's a questioning of what's really important. I think we all already know the answer in professional sports, but now everyone is acting as if there hasn't always been this notion that the "Patriot Way" is different and better? Really? Is that not a bit of hindsight bias there?

I quoted you but wasn't necessarily responding to you, I was just giving my thoughts on the whole thing.

Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea

Right, but media types and fans seem to think the Patriots have a higher standard. They haven't in awhile and they still get credit for it. That's what we're saying.

As for the "Patriot Way", I honestly didn't know that was still a thing.

I know I haven't thought of them that way since spygate and I thought most of the country had given up on that notion as well.

Media blowhards aside.

**Bmore Irish** · 07-02-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally posted by kehlis

I quoted you but wasn't really even responding to you, I was just giving my thoughts on the whole thing.

Yea, I mean I didn't intend to single you out like I'm arguing with you or anything. I just thought quoting what you said would give the proper context to the perspective I was speaking from.

In the end I think we all mostly hope that justice is served in this situation more than anything.

**Brandon13** · 07-02-2013, 06:02 PM

The Patriots are still a top NFL organization (I mean, that much is fairly obvious), but I don't think many have considered them the NFL's gold standard for class since Spygate.

Unless something comes to light here, and I sort of doubt that it will, this isn't really a Patriots issue anymore.

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