Aaron Hernandez Saga

[ImTellinTim]

Re: Aaron Hernandez Saga

What if this happened like a few months earlier? Would it have made a difference as far as his conviction being vacated?


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From what I understand, the appeals process in a case with a punishment like that is automatic, so I don't think so.

[SPTO]

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The timing to this is odd as hell but this is just the capper in what has been a pretty crazy story overall. I have sympathy for his family but that's about it. I doubt that he was killed though as high profile prisoners tend to be "protected" more for lack of a better term.

[War Eagle!]

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The timing to this is odd as hell but this is just the capper in what has been a pretty crazy story overall. I have sympathy for his family but that's about it. I doubt that he was killed though as high profile prisoners tend to be "protected" more for lack of a better term.

"protected" more opens the door for an inside job to take him out wouldn't you say?

[LowerWolf]

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Or the timing makes perfect sense. He was already in the appeals process for his conviction. Now that he's dead, his conviction is vacated because the appeals process was never finished. Which now means that his estate has a lot of protection against civil suits like those that the families of the victims could bring for wrongful death.

How so? OJ was found not guilty and that didn't help him in his civil suit.

[Jr.]

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How so? OJ was found not guilty and that didn't help him in his civil suit.

OJ is still alive

[JayBee74]

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OJ is still alive

Yeah, but even if OJ died before exhausting all appeals, is there a California law like the Massachusetts' one?

[TheShizNo1]

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He almost certainly had the info about his conviction being vacated if he died and was facing his daughter's future being drained by lawyers in his appeal. He had just gotten off for a double murder, then got to sit alone and think about how he had killed a guy because he was all paranoid over getting caught for something he got away with anyway. Really high probability the dude just hanged himself.

RightI'm not saying it can't be that. I'm just saying I don't think this is strange or anything like that. There's logic in this regardless of if he got snuffed or did commit suicide.

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[LowerWolf]

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OJ is still alive

By law, Hernandez wasn't convicted of murder since the guilty verdict has been vacated due to his death occurring before the appeal process is finished. But OJ was never convicted of murder in the first place, so the fact he's still alive is irrelevant in terms of criminal guilt.

A vacated verdict is obviously better than a guilty one for Hernandez's estate. But, using OJ as an example, I'm wondering how protected the estate really is in any potential civil suit.

[ImTellinTim]

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By law, Hernandez wasn't convicted of murder since the guilty verdict has been vacated due to his death occurring before the appeal process is finished. But OJ was never convicted of murder in the first place, so the fact he's still alive is irrelevant in terms of criminal guilt.

A vacated verdict is obviously better than a guilty one for Hernandez's estate. But, using OJ as an example, I'm wondering how protected the estate really is in any potential civil suit.

Because in Mass, you apparently cannot use evidence that was used in the criminal courts in a civil case if the person got off in this way. I don't know if that's the exact law, but it's something to that effect.

But I'm done trying to speculate in this case with the stuff coming out now. Just throwing my hands up, lol.

[KG]

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If he did in fact kill himself so that his family would get the money does that make him less of a coward?

I struggle with calling people who commit suicide cowards. There's so much I can't comprehend going on with their lives that I find it hard to just blindly label them cowards.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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If he did in fact kill himself so that his family would get the money does that make him less of a coward?

I struggle with calling people who commit suicide cowards. There's so much I can't comprehend going on with their lives that I find it hard to just blindly label them cowards.

Yea he's a coward. He thought he could live the thug life killing people and being hard but yet when he has to serve his prison sentence he can't handle it so he takes the easy way out. I dont care if he did it for his family or not. If he is responsible for the murders, then his estate should pay. The epitome of a coward.

[kehlis]

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If he did in fact kill himself so that his family would get the money does that make him less of a coward?



I struggle with calling people who commit suicide cowards. There's so much I can't comprehend going on with their lives that I find it hard to just blindly label them cowards.

I don't think the adjective used to describe him really matters at this point.

[Boltman]

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He almost certainly had the info about his conviction being vacated if he died and was facing his daughter's future being drained by lawyers in his appeal. He had just gotten off for a double murder, then got to sit alone and think about how he had killed a guy because he was all paranoid over getting caught for something he got away with anyway. Really high probability the dude just hanged himself.

I've thought about it and read a ton of thoughts here & on that reddit thread.

I'm going to go ahead and go with what you're saying here. It makes the most sense to me.

[HealyMonster]

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By law, Hernandez wasn't convicted of murder since the guilty verdict has been vacated due to his death occurring before the appeal process is finished. But OJ was never convicted of murder in the first place, so the fact he's still alive is irrelevant in terms of criminal guilt.

A vacated verdict is obviously better than a guilty one for Hernandez's estate. But, using OJ as an example, I'm wondering how protected the estate really is in any potential civil suit.

I believe I read that his pension from the nfl, which hernandez's family is now entitled to, is untouchable in a civil suit, which is basically how OJ stayed afloat all those years while having to sell all of his possessions and houses, etc. He was able to keep his NFL pension.

[Jr.]

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By law, Hernandez wasn't convicted of murder since the guilty verdict has been vacated due to his death occurring before the appeal process is finished. But OJ was never convicted of murder in the first place, so the fact he's still alive is irrelevant in terms of criminal guilt.

A vacated verdict is obviously better than a guilty one for Hernandez's estate. But, using OJ as an example, I'm wondering how protected the estate really is in any potential civil suit.

Sounds like it's Massachusetts law that makes the estate protected now that Hernandez is dead. Russillo and Kanell had a lawyer on that was talking about it. Since he wasn't considered guilty due to the appeal still going on, any civil suit cannot use the criminal trial to help them. They basically have to start over. Something like that.

So theoretically the civil suits can go on, but it's much tougher to get a victory now since the criminal case is thrown out.