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I doubt that. All theyd have to prove is that he was driving it impaired beyond a reasonable doubt.

'I was in a accident so I ran off and did some shots and then came back' probably wouldn't go far in court.

You can't prove he was over the legal limit while driving without the test being done. The test was done after he came back. So unless they have him on camera where you can see that he did not drink anything the whole time he was not there, you can't prove it.

It's not something a reasonable person would think would get you off, but it does work as you don't know how drunk he was.

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[SPTO]

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Not sure if this should go here or in off-topic (mods do what you will with this)

Cris Carter told rookies at NFL Rookie symposium to get "fall guy" for when they get in legal trouble

Not a good look for Carter there...I can't believe the video of this was on the NFL's website all this time and no one noticed it either....

[redsox4evur]

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Not sure if this should go here or in off-topic (mods do what you will with this)

Cris Carter told rookies at NFL Rookie symposium to get "fall guy" for when they get in legal trouble

Not a good look for Carter there...I can't believe the video of this was on the NFL's website all this time and no one noticed it either....

Another great move by Troy Vincent...

[Bmore Irish]

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Not sure if this should go here or in off-topic (mods do what you will with this)

Cris Carter told rookies at NFL Rookie symposium to get "fall guy" for when they get in legal trouble

Not a good look for Carter there...I can't believe the video of this was on the NFL's website all this time and no one noticed it either....

It was stupid of him to say this, at an NFL run event no less. And it's just downright hilarious that Warren Sapp was there nodding along as well. But nobody should be shocked that this type of thing goes on, he just said it in a more public forum.

[redsox4evur]

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It was stupid of him to say this, at an NFL run event no less. And it's just downright hilarious that Warren Sapp was there nodding along as well. But nobody should be shocked that this type of thing goes on, he just said it in a more public forum.

The guys that really should be there are guys like Gronk, yeah he acts like an idiot but he really isn't. He is a wicked smart guy, he still all of his 10 million dollar signing bonus, hasn't used a dime of it. And there was another guy that did something similar. They should have those guys there. And not guys like Warren Sapp, who I figured the NFL was done with after his recent run in.

[SPTO]

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The guys that really should be there are guys like Gronk, yeah he acts like an idiot but he really isn't. He is a wicked smart guy, he still all of his 10 million dollar signing bonus, hasn't used a dime of it. And there was another guy that did something similar. They should have those guys there. And not guys like Warren Sapp, who I figured the NFL was done with after his recent run in.

You make a great point. Gronk is the perfect guy for this and hopefully when his career is over he can be the one to host the symposium for a day. He's the best example of someone who seemingly does whatever the hell he wants to but at the same time is smart enough to keep his nose clean. That guy from the Lions you mention is another good one as well as JJ Watt. That guy probably has a TON of admirers in and out of the league and he'd be a great guy to tell rookies how to conduct themselves.

[redsox4evur]

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You make a great point. Gronk is the perfect guy for this and hopefully when his career is over he can be the one to host the symposium for a day. He's the best example of someone who seemingly does whatever the hell he wants to but at the same time is smart enough to keep his nose clean. That guy from the Lions you mention is another good one as well as JJ Watt. That guy probably has a TON of admirers in and out of the league and he'd be a great guy to tell rookies how to conduct themselves.

The Gronk thing wasn't because of his partying, more about the money thing. But you're right the partying and staying out of trouble is another good reason for why he should be there. JJ Watt has to have some demons in his closet, I swear, no guy is that perfect.

[slickdtc]

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Yall really wanna put Gronk up there?

I know he hasn't gotten in trouble yet but if you keep going out, some ******* is gonna want to test you. You get some drinks in you, took a hard shot over the middle on Sunday, and someone who you can whoop their *** is talking **** to you and your crew.

I wouldn't touch Gronk with a 10 foot pole. Not in this day and age. He may end up his career with a clean record and image, but until then I don't want him up there talking about how to party responsibly. Come on.

But what Carter said is what they tell these dudes behind closed doors. There's the public friendly, company line... and then there's reality. Just like anything. Read it in a book, and then go see it in real life.

[redsox4evur]

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Yall really wanna put Gronk up there?

I know he hasn't gotten in trouble yet but if you keep going out, some ******* is gonna want to test you. You get some drinks in you, took a hard shot over the middle on Sunday, and someone who you can whoop their *** is talking **** to you and your crew.

I wouldn't touch Gronk with a 10 foot pole. Not in this day and age. He may end up his career with a clean record and image, but until then I don't want him up there talking about how to party responsibly. Come on.

But what Carter said is what they tell these dudes behind closed doors. There's the public friendly, company line... and then there's reality. Just like anything. Read it in a book, and then go see it in real life.

My original thing with Gronk had nothing to do with the partying. It had to do with him and how he has handled his money so far in his career. As I said, he hasn't touched any of his signing bonus from the contract extension he signed. I honestly believe that these kids don't know what they should do with their money and that most of them go and blow it on some stupid things like flashy cars, jewelry, etc. Yea you should treat yourself with these things but, not blow 95% of your contract on this stuff because you never know what is going to happen to you in the future. That's the point I was trying to make, not his partying.

[wwharton]

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Sure, Gronk would possibly give good advice on managing money... but even that is questionable. Everybody is different and everybody comes from different backgrounds. Not everyone is in position to follow Gronk's lead. More importantly, not everyone can relate to him.

That brings me to the other side of this and his partying. There is no magic formula to partying responsibly. A lot of these guys wouldn't think of going to places that Gronk goes to so even if it seems wild and crazy, it's a completely different scene. And, most importantly, just like with the financials everyone is different. Gronk seems like a fun loving guy who just happens to be huge. Some of these guys have anger issues, quick triggers, senses of entitlement, a deep rooted feeling that they need to step to anyone that tests them, etc.

Guys like Sapp and Carter come from troubled pasts. Sapp dropped in the draft bc of his problems and has continued to have to deal with things. Carter got cut and may have been almost out of the league bc of his. They are absolutely the right type of players to talk. I promise you a lot of these kids that are the type to possibly get into trouble have a feeling of "You can't tell me anything unless you've walked in my shoes."

And the truth is, what Carter told them is exactly what some of them need to hear. Some of them will take advice about staying out of clubs and keeping their noses clean but we all know some won't. They need a message that's real to them. It may not be a popular opinion but I think the only problem here is that they have cameras at these things in the first place. These are the type of things that should help players present themselves the best to us... adding cameras means that IT has to be presented polished to us and that defeats the whole purpose. We don't need to see EVERYTHING. In a way it's like us having all access to every preseason game now when they were treated more like spring training baseball in the past. Now people are complaining about them not being competitive enough and not seeing certain players enough. All this back stage access is effecting the actual product.

[Jr.]

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And the truth is, what Carter told them is exactly what some of them need to hear. Some of them will take advice about staying out of clubs and keeping their noses clean but we all know some won't. They need a message that's real to them. It may not be a popular opinion but I think the only problem here is that they have cameras at these things in the first place.

So you think it was good to tell guys that they should have someone around that's willing to take the rap for them, rather than trying to help them make better decisions?

[TheShizNo1]

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So you think it was good to tell guys that they should have someone around that's willing to take the rap for them, rather than trying to help them make better decisions?

I don't think it's good or bad/right or wrong. Just is what it is. I'm sure that's not a foreign concept for celebrities or people in high positions.

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[Jr.]

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I don't think it's good or bad/right or wrong. Just is what it is. I'm sure that's not a foreign concept for celebrities or people in high positions.

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The concept itself is one thing if someone thinks of it on their own. But to be advertising/advising that as a corporation... there's something very wrong about that in my mind. I'm sure the NFL isn't the only one that does it, they just happen to be extremely high profile with many, many PR issues in the last couple of years.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Gronk isn't the only athlete out here partying and not getting in trouble so I'm not sure why we're trying to put him on a pedestal as if he's the only one that does it.

Not even sure why he gets as much attention as he does for it. It was funny at first but then it started to become "BREAKING NEWS" every time he went to a club, lol.

[wwharton]

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So you think it was good to tell guys that they should have someone around that's willing to take the rap for them, rather than trying to help them make better decisions?

It's a bad idea to ONLY say get a fall guy... but that's not even what Carter did.

I'll tell you, I've told kids I coached all the time to stay out of trouble, don't even put yourself in position to be in a situation where your friends are doing anything wrong, etc, etc. But at the end of all of it I'd say "If you're out drunk or in some situation and you need a ride or help in some way, don't hesitate to call me." That's not me telling a 17 or 18 year old it's okay to drink. It's acknowledging that no matter what I say, some of them will, and I'd rather them not make the situation worse by driving or doing anything else beyond what they've already done.

That's what Carter was saying. If, despite everything we're trying to tell you you're still going to get in a situation, at least be prepared.

It's a much better message than pretending a bunch of entitled kids that ran not only campuses but college towns would listen to a days worth of old guys preaching to them and automatically change their behavior.