2022 Offseason Thread

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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This Kyler thing seems like the most unenforceable contract language I've ever seen. How do you prove a guy was *not* watching film or watching with distractions? It seems like a cheap stunt on the part of the Cardinals, pretty freaking outrageous language for a 9 figure contract.

[reyes the roof]

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This Kyler thing seems like the most unenforceable contract language I've ever seen. How do you prove a guy was *not* watching film or watching with distractions? It seems like a cheap stunt on the part of the Cardinals, pretty freaking outrageous language for a 9 figure contract.

The technology has changed, but they should do something similar to what the Raiders did with Jamarcus Russell years ago where they gave him a DVD of plays and asked him to watch it and tell them which plays he liked. The next day they asked him and he said he liked all of them. Only problem is they gave him a blank DVD

[p_rushing]

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This Kyler thing seems like the most unenforceable contract language I've ever seen. How do you prove a guy was *not* watching film or watching with distractions? It seems like a cheap stunt on the part of the Cardinals, pretty freaking outrageous language for a 9 figure contract.

There are ways to determine how long you stay on each page, what you click on, video to record if it is him and he is actually looking at the screen, and you can make him answer questions.


It's not 100% but it is close. If they let you do online certifications for tech courses, they can figure out a way to make sure he is actually studying.

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[l3ulvl]

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Yeah, I think it just seems weird/odd because we see a team put a clause like this in someone’s contract.

But if we didn’t know this, we probably wouldn’t even have an issue with it because let’s be real…do we honestly believe that these guys are in their playbooks 24/7 from September to February? Of course not. I just think he said the what a lot of players probably do but don’t want to say it publicly.

I remember when Vick basically said the same thing in that he didn’t watch film and used to toss those DVDs to the side in his case and he would still go out there and have Defenses shook every Sunday.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's a safeguard so they can get out of the deal if they realize in a year or two he's not the guy. Instead of attaching multiple 1sts in a trade to rid themselves of the contract, or dealing with other cap ****, they can just claim he didn't study enough and void the whole deal


edit: like they think they found a loophole to big contracts, except there's no way to prove "independent study", so it'd just end up being one of the weirdest sports litigation situations if it came to that


extra bonus edit: if he outplays his contract and plays at an MVP level next year, his agent could do the same thing and claim he didn't meet minimum requirements for a certain week, his contract is void, and he's now on the free market for any team to sign for double the contract

[p_rushing]

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The more I think about it, the more I think it's a safeguard so they can get out of the deal if they realize in a year or two he's not the guy. Instead of attaching multiple 1sts in a trade to rid themselves of the contract, or dealing with other cap ****, they can just claim he didn't study enough and void the whole deal


edit: like they think they found a loophole to big contracts, except there's no way to prove "independent study", so it'd just end up being one of the weirdest sports litigation situations if it came to that


extra bonus edit: if he outplays his contract and plays at an MVP level next year, his agent could do the same thing and claim he didn't meet minimum requirements for a certain week, his contract is void, and he's now on the free market for any team to sign for double the contract

Contracts aren't written to be vague and the party that actually writes it vaguely can be held liable or basically automatically lose in court.

I'm sure there are clear rules he must follow and if they just have to take his word for it, then that is on them. If they can prove he is lying then they could get out of the deal.

There also should be a clause to stop him from just admitting he isn't studying to then terminate the contract. The team will probably have to agree to the termination. Generally you could just terminate the contract and pay restitution but that isn't doable in the NFL.

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[dubcity]

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Couldn't they just pull the old JaMarcus Russell and send him a blank video and see if he even says anything?

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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There are ways to determine how long you stay on each page, what you click on, video to record if it is him and he is actually looking at the screen, and you can make him answer questions.


It's not 100% but it is close. If they let you do online certifications for tech courses, they can figure out a way to make sure he is actually studying.

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Students in online courses have no leverage to oppose that sort of intrusive Spyware. Kyler is in a union and if the team tried void a $200+ million deal over this, they would get sued so hard it would be visible from space.

Not that they need the help, but this makes Arizona look like an utter clownshow.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2022 Offseason Thread

They can track if he logs in and sees how long he’s on an actual site but they can’t actually see him sitting there and actually studying thru the tablet.

His Lawyers would have a field day with that if it ever got to that point(it won’t).

Either way, it’s very weird from both sides.

[dubcity]

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Students in online courses have no leverage to oppose that sort of intrusive Spyware. Kyler is in a union and if the team tried void a $200+ million deal over this, they would get sued so hard it would be visible from space.



Not that they need the help, but this makes Arizona look like an utter clownshow.

If they signed this guy to that much money knowing his study habits were like that, yeah that's pretty clownish.

[Hooe]

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As I understand it, only the guaranteed money is void if the independent study clause is violated, not the entire contract. So Kyler can’t win MVP, claim he never studied, then deliberately void his own contract lol. That was be wild if he could do that though!

[Hooe]

2022 Offseason Thread

Students in online courses have no leverage to oppose that sort of intrusive Spyware. Kyler is in a union and if the team tried void a $200+ million deal over this, they would get sued so hard it would be visible from space.

Not that they need the help, but this makes Arizona look like an utter clownshow.

Do NFL players have a collectively-bargained right to privacy from the club they are contracted with which would prevent that sort of tracking? Honest question, I do not know.

I don’t recall anything about privacy or surveillance being mentioned either way in the collective bargaining agreement the last time I looked at it (…yes I have looked at the CBA, I am a damn nerd and I do not apologize hahaha).

I do know some employers very closely monitor employee technology usage to track their work-from-home activity, so it wouldn’t shock me if NFL teams also had implemented such intrusive worker activity surveillance (which, you correctly identify it as spyware, that’s literally what it is).

[dubcity]

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If an employer issued me a tablet, laptop or PC for my job, I would 100% expect them to have the ability to see what I have done on that device. That's not even a question or a privacy issue to me. If you work from home on a company device I would treat it like you are physically at work.

But it's kind of irrelevant I guess because Kyler agreed to the contract. He's not a victim.

[ProfessaPackMan]

2022 Offseason Thread

As someone that works in IT and has worked in the Hardware/Software side of things in the past including installing stuff like this in work devices, employees can track your activity as far as when you logged into the device, how much time you’ve spent on a site, etc.

But they don’t have a way of actually seeing you log into the device. Like they can’t hack into your camera and visibly see you looking at your device. The Feds may have access to that type of technology but majority of employers won’t.

So if he wanted to finesse it, he could theoretically. But like Illuminatus said, the Lawyers would have a field day with that if it got to the Courts.

[kehlis]

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I just find it hilarious that they put in a specific clause that says the time needs to be undivided attention and shouldn't be shared with playing video games lol. Oof.

[p_rushing]

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As I understand it, only the guaranteed money is void if the independent study clause is violated, not the entire contract. So Kyler can’t win MVP, claim he never studied, then deliberately void his own contract lol. That was be wild if he could do that though!

Correct they would have to choose to void the contract. Technically he could void the guaranteed money but they still own his rights. He can't be forced to play but he also can't just go and sign with another team unless they agree to cut him.

As someone that works in IT and has worked in the Hardware/Software side of things in the past including installing stuff like this in work devices, employees can track your activity as far as when you logged into the device, how much time you’ve spent on a site, etc.

But they don’t have a way of actually seeing you log into the device. Like they can’t hack into your camera and visibly see you looking at your device. The Feds may have access to that type of technology but majority of employers won’t.

So if he wanted to finesse it, he could theoretically. But like Illuminatus said, the Lawyers would have a field day with that if it got to the Courts.

The camera stuff isn't like they can't do it, they just haven't yet. Most people wouldn't want to work for a company doing that. It's their device though and if they made it known it was happening, it would probably be ok legally.

It's the same with online tests that require it, you either do it or don't take the test. Now if the terms aren't in the contract he can easily win that.



The bigger issue could be the CBA and he could use that to void the contract. He is now being required and paid to study outside of working hours and he isn't being granted time off during the week to make up for the 4 hours. The NFLPA has rules about how many hours practice and meetings can be and they don't offer overtime pay clauses. So does the contract violate the number of hours they are working each week?

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