AFC/NFC Conference Championship Games Thread

[jeebs9]

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It's a crazy stat that Chiefs won 17 straight games decided by one score

People still try to make it all about the qbs but it's almost always which team made the plays when it mattered.I think this one had more to do with the defenses.

This will probably go unnoticed. The chiefs made Bills one dimensional shutting down the run and forcing them into 3 and longs. Especially after that push stop on 4th and 1.
Watching the All 22 on some of these plays

https://youtu.be/wAte7u-M61M?si=y5GRiv_gd0H65qL_

Andy Reid called a beautiful game

[illwill10]

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This will probably go unnoticed. The chiefs made Bills one dimensional shutting down the run and forcing them into 3 and longs. Especially after that push stop on 4th and 1.
Watching the All 22 on some of these plays

https://youtu.be/wAte7u-M61M?si=y5GRiv_gd0H65qL_

Andy Reid called a beautiful game

That's the similar gameplan to beat Philly's offense. Make them one dimensional and force them into 3rd and long. Anything 3rd and 4 and less, almost becomes a 4 down situation for the Eagles. Chiefs will have the best front 7 that Eagles will have faced. Don't allow the big Saquon run. Run those exotic pressures and force Jalen to hold onto the ball.



I think Philly can do a similar thing on defense. I believe Philly can bottle up KCs run game. Philly's defense is a lot better than the '22 defense. That '22 defense got 70 sacks. This defense is legit without having a 10+ sack guy or high INT guy. They don't have Bradberry out there, who is on the longest 4-6 week injury after training camp lol. Mitchell and DeJean are legit as rookies. I guess Slay is the weakpoint now. But outside of Worthy's speed, Eagles CBs matchup well against KC WRs. Philly will need to get pressure and not allow the Mahomes improv plays

[ojandpizza]

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People still try to make it all about the qbs but it's almost always which team made the plays when it mattered.I think this one had more to do with the defenses.

Fans/media making football outcomes all about the QB is the same as NBA fans/media acting like "rings" belong to one player. Like nothing else outside that player/QB matters.. So damn frustrating.

[slickdtc]

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He played a bad game by his standards, no question. He also had the ball in his hands with a chance to win the game, again, and got outfoxed by Spags, again.



But there cannot be any question who the common problem is in these losses. Sean McDermott's defense has forced four punts and three turnovers combined vs. Mahomes in four playoff games. Lou Anarumo managed 4 punts and 2 turnovers just in the 2021 AFCCG. KC scored 32 for the first time all season. We've changed players, changed play callers, had the benefit of home field once, and cycled in some high draft picks and contracts but overall the fact is that Reid and Mahomes know the playbook better than our own guys at this point. McDermott must must must change his goddamned scheme because it has been thoroughly exposed now.

Hard to argue. We’ve changed everything around with this team to beat KC, but yet nothing. There’s only a couple spots that haven’t changed. People will be talking.

The question is, how come we can beat them in the regular season and they always get us in the playoffs? It’s hard to even say the playoff games are that much more magnified because each year these teams play in regular season it’s a prime time event. Is Reid and Spags that much better at adapting after a loss while McD stays stagnant?

I don’t support getting rid of McDermott, but I certainly understand why people are asking questions. I think we just keep swinging. This was a big year to see if we could stay at the top while the roster degraded around our QB. Had another monster year. So I’m confident we keep getting to the dance, we’ll make it through as champs eventually.

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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Hard to argue. We’ve changed everything around with this team to beat KC, but yet nothing. There’s only a couple spots that haven’t changed. People will be talking.

The question is, how come we can beat them in the regular season and they always get us in the playoffs? It’s hard to even say the playoff games are that much more magnified because each year these teams play in regular season it’s a prime time event. Is Reid and Spags that much better at adapting after a loss while McD stays stagnant?

I don’t support getting rid of McDermott, but I certainly understand why people are asking questions. I think we just keep swinging. This was a big year to see if we could stay at the top while the roster degraded around our QB. Had another monster year. So I’m confident we keep getting to the dance, we’ll make it through as champs eventually.

I mean, yes that's exactly what I think. I'll give a specific example. In the Week 11 matchup, we used this unusual defensive front which I think is called "Odd Mirror." We have Rousseau and Miller lined up at Edge, Oliver as a 3 Tech, and Matt Milano sitting at the 1T spot in place of DaQuon Jones. The goal being that the three rushers try to get deep and flush Mahomes out, wherein Milano will hang back and spy, then chase Mahomes down. It worked a few times.



So now in the AFFCG, its 3rd and Long and we pull out that exact same formation. Mahomes simply hands it off to Hunt, and now Milano is stuck trying to hold the point of attack against Humphrey and Caliendo, to which he's giving up like 375 lbs combined. If not a first down I recall it came damn close.


Another: The Bills were vulnerable this year to the little classic "fake handoff to the back, wait until the guy chases the QB, then throw it to the same back" play. Lamar got a TD to Henry that way back in Week 4. So KC runs the same play and we cover the back this time - so Mahomes just keeps the ball and runs right through that gap.


I'm not necessarily for firing McDermott either, but we have seen the ceiling of his defense and it's a crushing AFC bracket exit.

[J_Posse]

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He played a bad game by his standards, no question. He also had the ball in his hands with a chance to win the game, again, and got outfoxed by Spags, again.



But there cannot be any question who the common problem is in these losses. Sean McDermott's defense has forced four punts and three turnovers combined vs. Mahomes in four playoff games. Lou Anarumo managed 4 punts and 2 turnovers just in the 2021 AFCCG. KC scored 32 for the first time all season. We've changed players, changed play callers, had the benefit of home field once, and cycled in some high draft picks and contracts but overall the fact is that Reid and Mahomes know the playbook better than our own guys at this point. McDermott must must must change his goddamned scheme because it has been thoroughly exposed now.

Right, to pin the loss on Allen is beyond dumb. He didn't play like Superman, but he also wasn't responsible for the loss.

The play calling and decision making by both coordinators left a lot to be desired.

Bills need an upgrade - somehow - in talent on the defensive side. Gotta find a high-end edge rusher and a ball hawk in the secondary with Rapp.

Another receiver would be nice mostly as a vertical threat and for gadget plays.

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[jeebs9]

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Hard to argue. We’ve changed everything around with this team to beat KC, but yet nothing. There’s only a couple spots that haven’t changed. People will be talking.

The question is, how come we can beat them in the regular season and they always get us in the playoffs? It’s hard to even say the playoff games are that much more magnified because each year these teams play in regular season it’s a prime time event. Is Reid and Spags that much better at adapting after a loss while McD stays stagnant?

I don’t support getting rid of McDermott, but I certainly understand why people are asking questions. I think we just keep swinging. This was a big year to see if we could stay at the top while the roster degraded around our QB. Had another monster year. So I’m confident we keep getting to the dance, we’ll make it through as champs eventually.

I mean, yes that's exactly what I think. I'll give a specific example. In the Week 11 matchup, we used this unusual defensive front which I think is called "Odd Mirror." We have Rousseau and Miller lined up at Edge, Oliver as a 3 Tech, and Matt Milano sitting at the 1T spot in place of DaQuon Jones. The goal being that the three rushers try to get deep and flush Mahomes out, wherein Milano will hang back and spy, then chase Mahomes down. It worked a few times.



So now in the AFFCG, its 3rd and Long and we pull out that exact same formation. Mahomes simply hands it off to Hunt, and now Milano is stuck trying to hold the point of attack against Humphrey and Caliendo, to which he's giving up like 375 lbs combined. If not a first down I recall it came damn close.


Another: The Bills were vulnerable this year to the little classic "fake handoff to the back, wait until the guy chases the QB, then throw it to the same back" play. Lamar got a TD to Henry that way back in Week 4. So KC runs the same play and we cover the back this time - so Mahomes just keeps the ball and runs right through that gap.


I'm not necessarily for firing McDermott either, but we have seen the ceiling of his defense and it's a crushing AFC bracket exit.

This is a question I keep asking myself. What could the Bills done differently this year? This is why I keep saying Andy and Steve. Literally called a perfect game. For instance, Steve didn't call any biltiz until that final play. Every time I thought he would dial one up. He didn't..... Then he pulled that CB biltiz out of no where!!

Andy on the other was calling dimes alllll night long. If it's not for the fumble. I feel like it's a different game.

[J_Posse]

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This will probably go unnoticed. The chiefs made Bills one dimensional shutting down the run and forcing them into 3 and longs. Especially after that push stop on 4th and 1.
Watching the All 22 on some of these plays

https://youtu.be/wAte7u-M61M?si=y5GRiv_gd0H65qL_

Andy Reid called a beautiful game

Spagnuolo was a terrible head coach with the Rams , but he's one the best defensive coordinators in pro football (maybe ever).

You add that with possibly the best (and dirtiest) defensive player in football in Chris Jone and it's tough to beat.

The Bills did a great job of running Cook in the 3rd quarter, but whether it was the Chiefs defense stiffening or play calling it seemed like they went away from him (in the 4th).

It sucks to lose to these guys again and again and again, but the Bills aren't miles behind them. The 'breaks,' 50/50 plays and calls have hurt them a ton since they consistently go KC's way, plus getting too conservative with the play calling. And I don't mean going for it on 4th down constantly when Kansas City has snuffed it out.

The most glaring issue is getting a bigger cushion so that all the close calls wouldn't matter as much.

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[jeebs9]

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Spagnoli was a terrible head coach (with the Dolphin, I believe), but he's one the best defensive coordinators in pro football (maybe ever).

You add that with possibly the best (and dirtiest) defensive player in football in Chris Jone and it's tough to beat.

The Bills did a great job of running Cook in the 3rd quarter, but whether it was the Chiefs defense or play calling it seemed like they went away from him (in the 4th).

It sucks to lose to these guys again and again and again, but the Bills aren't miles behind them. The 'breaks' and 50/50 plays and calls have hurt them a ton, plus getting too conservative with the play calling. And I don't mean going for it on 4th down constantly when Kansas City has snuffed it out.

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Here is an example. Before Mahomes TD the Chief Ran a Zone to the left for a first down. They didn't cover Mahomes. They treated him like he was a none running threat. You know what Andy call next.

https://youtu.be/wAte7u-M61M?si=QCL0wgW4a_ePjPtz&t=4165

[slickdtc]

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Right, to pin the loss on Allen is beyond dumb. He didn't play like Superman, but he also wasn't responsible for the loss.

The play calling and decision making by both coordinators left a lot to be desired.

Bills need an upgrade - somehow - in talent on the defensive side. Gotta find a high-end edge rusher and a ball hawk in the secondary with Rapp.

Another receiver would be nice mostly as a vertical threat and for gadget plays.

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We’ve heard this and done this before too, getting Diggs for JA and then Von Miller for the defense. It’s not a reason to not take another swing if we can (not sure on the cap situation) but every year we retool something else and it hasn’t clicked yet. I’m not even trying to poo poo on the suggestion, I’m just at a loss for what to do next.

We need to hit on some instant impact rookies or see major leap from first or second year players. I don’t know if we can afford instant help on the free agent wire or trade market, or who that would even be. The comment above about Cincinnati defense doing more with half the chances had me wondering where Lou Anarumo ended up, ha.

[J_Posse]

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We’ve heard this and done this before too, getting Diggs for JA and then Von Miller for the defense. It’s not a reason to not take another swing if we can (not sure on the cap situation) but every year we retool something else and it hasn’t clicked yet. I’m not even trying to poo poo on the suggestion, I’m just at a loss for what to do next.

We need to hit on some instant impact rookies or see major leap from first or second year players. I don’t know if we can afford instant help on the free agent wire or trade market, or who that would even be. The comment above about Cincinnati defense doing more with half the chances had me wondering where Lou Anarumo ended up, ha.

I got you, homie.

I think the defensive scheme needs more retooling for sure, but the defense needs a 'game changer' at some level/position.

It wouldn't be the only change needed, but it was a glaring issue (the mediocrity of our/the defense) all season, IMO.

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[jeebs9]

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I'm re watching the Bills last possession. They have the right call here. KC got Blitz and they a jail screen to the WR. Cooper is literally a shoe size to big to escape. They literally have everything you want here the numbers of blockers. They just can't get over the hump here.

https://youtu.be/wAte7u-M61M?si=n2XTfeYYDayGuzW5&t=5057k

If you keep watching. The play WTF is Josh Allen suppose to do here. They have a man beater on here. But Steve got Fire CB.....All that Josh still gets the ball to the right place for it be dropped.

[jeebs9]

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To close my back to back to back Post here. it's the tiny things here. Andy plays games on a detailed level people don't see until later. Watch the KC tempo change coming out of the huddle. They run to the no long BS. Snap the ball quickly putting all the pressure on Bill defense in getting their reads and assigns. Pause it at the snap of the ball. It's not like Bills aren't ready. Mahomes been running at them all day long. But nope the running back slips out the backfield for a first down.

https://youtu.be/wAte7u-M61M?si=T3D-qE-0aZdHEHiI&t=5141

[DrJones]

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Nevermind Josh Allen. I don't know if there is a fan base in any sport that has suffered as much as the Buffalo Bills.

There can't be. Yesterday was only their 3rd most painful loss to the Chiefs in the last 5 seasons!
The amount of suffering that 40-50-year-old Bills fans have endured is beyond belief. (Not to mention that most of them are probably Sabres fans as well.)

Most beaten-down fan bases:

4-team market: Minnesota
3-team market: Phoenix
2-team market: Buffalo, Cincinnati
1-team market: Vancouver, San Diego
0-team market: Oakland

[TheMatrix31]

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Fans/media making football outcomes all about the QB is the same as NBA fans/media acting like "rings" belong to one player. Like nothing else outside that player/QB matters.. So damn frustrating.

And that's exactly the dumb *** **** that made me stop watching basketball.