2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

[Blzer]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

It did end up working out for you as maclin had a great game, but I still wouldn't make a lineup decision in one league based on another league. I see where you're coming from though. I'd be kicking myself if maclin and fitz had their roles reversed and it was fitz who had a great game and I ended up losing because I benched him due to another leagues lineup. I don't play in multiple leagues though so I'm probably not one to tell you how to make decisions as I don't have first hand experience in that situation.

Understood. So let's say you did have multiple leagues though and played off that one extreme example (you have player list A against player list B in one league, and you have player list B against player list A in the other league). Would you just settle for the 1-1 and call it a day?

That last point about the purpose of this thread, I think it's usually used if you're on the fence between multiple players who think will be good and just want more opinions from an external source. Deciding who will score the most points isn't just that simple. Some may know more about match ups, advanced analysis, or know more about their home team than you might. Having that insight could push you over the edge of starting one over another when you are in a pickle.

That makes sense, thanks.

But I'm hoping what I'm saying makes sense as well. The reason I say that is because that's when I'm mostly going to be asking questions in this thread about who to start.

[rangerrick012]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

Non ppr

Vjax vs Jax
Abdullah vs Arizona
John Brown vs Detroit

Flex

[Bmore Irish]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

Non ppr

Vjax vs Jax
Abdullah vs Arizona
John Brown vs Detroit

Flex

I'd probably go Vincent Jackson. He's actually scoring touchdowns too, and has a good matchup. I guess that's what would give him the edge over John Brown, who's seeing some pretty consistent targets, but is in a crowded receiving group.

That Detroit backfield is putrid, Riddick gets all the passing downs, and Arizona defense is tough. Abdullah has really lost his luster from all the preseason hype.

[wwharton]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

Understood. So let's say you did have multiple leagues though and played off that one extreme example (you have player list A against player list B in one league, and you have player list B against player list A in the other league). Would you just settle for the 1-1 and call it a day?




That makes sense, thanks.

But I'm hoping what I'm saying makes sense as well. The reason I say that is because that's when I'm mostly going to be asking questions in this thread about who to start.

I'm in six leagues... and have been in more. It makes absolutely no sense at all to bench someone because you're playing against him in another league. You say "would you be okay with going 1-1"... of course not, who doesn't want to win every single game? But we're all guessing at the production of these players. If my guess is that one player at a position is going to score more than another, then that's the player I'm starting.

I really don't understand where you're coming from, because if my guess is that Fitz (for example) is going to score a ton on my opponent's team, me benching him in another league isn't going to change my opinion on how much he'll score. More importantly, it isn't going to effect his real life production at all. It sounds like you think you're willing players to do worse by benching them.

If you're just in it to root for certain players while watching games, then I guess I can understand that. But in that case you don't care if you go 2-0, 1-1 or 0-2 really. You're just playing guys to get behind and seeing them do well is more important than getting the win. But that is similar to people who won't draft players on teams they hate... more power to them, but your best chance of winning is with the best players available (whatever your educated guess of which players that may be).

[Blzer]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

I really don't understand where you're coming from, because if my guess is that Fitz (for example) is going to score a ton on my opponent's team, me benching him in another league isn't going to change my opinion on how much he'll score. More importantly, it isn't going to effect his real life production at all. It sounds like you think you're willing players to do worse by benching them.

If you're just in it to root for certain players while watching games, then I guess I can understand that. But in that case you don't care if you go 2-0, 1-1 or 0-2 really. You're just playing guys to get behind and seeing them do well is more important than getting the win. But that is similar to people who won't draft players on teams they hate... more power to them, but your best chance of winning is with the best players available (whatever your educated guess of which players that may be).

You've nailed how I play fantasy football.

I guess it's just how we play differently. I personally can't stand the guys who say things like, "I want player X to do well as long as his team loses." You can't have both, and you're upsetting the sport by putting a virtual team first, even if you have money on it. I make sure to not do that part. More power to me? I guess so. I'm still a fan of the sport first, so I'm only doing things the way that I can will things to go.

But you're right, it's definitely a different strokes mentality. I couldn't ever justify being a FF player first though. I can never take a 1-1 in virtual vs. reality either. I don't plan on calling people non-fans or anything for being like that, but that's exactly what I would be calling myself if I played that way.

And I probably couldn't play in six leagues for that very reason. Otherwise I'm probably contradicting myself every which way. Almost wouldn't be worth it for me. I don't even know who I'd be happy for tracking. But of course, more power to those who do! I just couldn't see myself doing that.

[phenom1990]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

The only way I would let different leagues affect my lineup is the following:

1. Playoff time, I figured out that if I start 2 different types of lineups; I would hedge my bets and guarantee winning some money. That would take a very specific scenario to happen.

2. If I have 2 guys on my team in different leagues and I expect both to be good but I can only start one. I would probably start 1 in 1 league and the other in the other league just so I could root for both. For example: I have Rivers and Dalton in both my leagues. I expected both to be very good last week so I didn't feel like overthinking it and I did what I described above.

Regardless, it takes very very specific scenarios to justify letting another league dictate your lineup.

[Blzer]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

The only way I would let different leagues affect my lineup is the following:

1. Playoff time, I figured out that if I start 2 different types of lineups; I would hedge my bets and guarantee winning some money. That would take a very specific scenario to happen.

2. If I have 2 guys on my team in different leagues and I expect both to be good but I can only start one. I would probably start 1 in 1 league and the other in the other league just so I could root for both. For example: I have Rivers and Dalton in both my leagues. I expected both to be very good last week so I didn't feel like overthinking it and I did what I described above.

Regardless, it takes very very specific scenarios to justify letting another league dictate your lineup.

I mean look, I'm in 10-team leagues so it's not like I'm starting scrubs over other guys. My last predicament was Larry Fitzgerald vs. Jeremy Maclin. It's not like it was a flex position where my only other option was Vernon Davis.

Though if in your situation #2, I have Dalton and Rivers in both leagues but one of the guys I'm playing against has A.J. Green, I'm starting Rivers in that game... and since I'm hoping he does well, my thought is I might as well start him in the other league as well. Why bother starting Dalton and hoping he does well if that just means that it might get Green multiple scores against me in my other league? Again, I can see how that's iffy thinking on my end, but I have a perfectly viable option in Rivers and I don't see why I just wouldn't start him in both. That is an example of somebody who I'm playing against would affect my decision-making in my other league, and that's based on "hope" for what would happen.

I guess the only really funny thing here is how my uncommon opinion is starting to seem like I'm the only person who strategizes this way, yet I see what I'm doing as perfectly logical and normal. I'm so weird.

[phenom1990]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

I mean look, I'm in 10-team leagues so it's not like I'm starting scrubs over other guys. My last predicament was Larry Fitzgerald vs. Jeremy Maclin. It's not like it was a flex position where my only other option was Vernon Davis.

Though if in your situation #2, I have Dalton and Rivers in both leagues but one of the guys I'm playing against has A.J. Green, I'm starting Rivers in that game... and since I'm hoping he does well, my thought is [i]I might as well start him in the other league as well.[/b] Why bother starting Dalton and hoping he does well if that just means that it might get Green multiple scores against me in my other league? Again, I can see how that's iffy thinking on my end, but I have a perfectly viable option in Rivers and I don't see why I just wouldn't start him in both. That is an example of somebody who I'm playing against would affect my decision-making in my other league, and that's based on "hope" for what would happen.

I guess the only really funny thing here is how my uncommon opinion is starting to seem like I'm the only person who strategizes this way, yet I see what I'm doing as perfectly logical and normal. I'm so weird.

I understand your logic and I used to apply some of that logic in the past. I've just realized that I need to go for the most points and let the cards play out however they're going to play. That may be a difference in life philosophy... but I've realized I just need to make the best of the situation and the situation isn't always great.

In my 2nd scenario; since I found Dalton and Rivers comparable and I believe the difference in the two's performance would come down to luck .... I would start both just to hedge my bets if I was wrong on one.

[wwharton]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

You've nailed how I play fantasy football.

I guess it's just how we play differently. I personally can't stand the guys who say things like, "I want player X to do well as long as his team loses." You can't have both, and you're upsetting the sport by putting a virtual team first, even if you have money on it. I make sure to not do that part. More power to me? I guess so. I'm still a fan of the sport first, so I'm only doing things the way that I can will things to go.

But you're right, it's definitely a different strokes mentality. I couldn't ever justify being a FF player first though. I can never take a 1-1 in virtual vs. reality either. I don't plan on calling people non-fans or anything for being like that, but that's exactly what I would be calling myself if I played that way.

And I probably couldn't play in six leagues for that very reason. Otherwise I'm probably contradicting myself every which way. Almost wouldn't be worth it for me. I don't even know who I'd be happy for tracking. But of course, more power to those who do! I just couldn't see myself doing that.

That's fine if that's how you view FF, but I'm not sure you'll find much useful advice for who you should start based on it.

BTW, fantasy sports NEVER trump real sports... ever, lol. But we have no power over how these players perform. If Antonio Brown is going to get 150 yards and a TD against my Ravens, that's going to happen whether I start him or not. I don't find it too hard to just watch the games play out, with the end result in mind (wanting my team to win), and then seeing how my individual players did after the fact.

I probably agree with you in terms of people watching their favorite team and rooting for a player going against them to score (unless it's late and obviously meaningless). I get just as pissed if anyone scores against my favorite team. But after the game, I switch gears and check the stats.

That's how I approach it all anyway.

[Threesus]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

Randall Cobb vs St Louis, Julian Edelman vs Dallas, Ronnie Hillman vs Oaklan, Doug Martin vs Jacksonville, and Allen Hurns vs Tampa Bay. Choose 2 of the 5. Standard league btw, not ppr. Leaning towards Edelman and Cobb, but what are your guys thoughts?

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[wwharton]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

Randall Cobb vs St Louis, Julian Edelman vs Dallas, Ronnie Hillman vs Oaklan, Doug Martin vs Jacksonville, and Allen Hurns vs Tampa Bay. Choose 2 of the 5. Standard league btw, not ppr. Leaning towards Edelman and Cobb, but what are your guys thoughts?

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Absolutely no reason to go away from Cobb and Edelman, but great problem to have.

[Threesus]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

For another league, what about tavon Austin vs. Green bay, allen hurns vs tampa, and kendall wright vs. Buffalo

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[wwharton]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

For another league, what about tavon Austin vs. Green bay, allen hurns vs tampa, and kendall wright vs. Buffalo

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Don't know how many but my order would be Wright, Hurns, Austin.

Wright - is just a better fantasy player than any of us give him credit for yearly. The offense is designed to give him plenty of targets. And Buffalo's strength is in the front 7... the secondary has been abused.

Hurns - He's been challenging Robinson for top fantasy option at WR in JAX. I don't think that'll be consistent, but a match up with Tampa should create enough opportunities for both of them.

Austin - This really could be his break out season, but I'm not buying it yet. He's still not much of a downfield option, which leaves you hoping for effective gadget plays and scores off returns. He's done pretty good with that so far, and definitely has the highest ceiling. But right now I don't know if we should expect the old Percy Harvin or the old Devin Hester. Both were great in real life, but Hester was never even rosterable in most fantasy leagues.

[Mo]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

PPR. Doug Martin vs Jags or Todd Gurley vs Packers?

[nc0ffey]

Re: 2015 "Who Should I Start" Thread

Doug Martin