Official Denver Broncos Thread

[kehlis]

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I think a lot of fans would severely disapprove of this move. Tebow's had too much of an impact on Denver (both on and off the field) for the city to willingly let go of him.

A lot of people would absolutely be furious.

As someone who was indifferent on Tebow and just wanted to see him play, I will just say I'm glad I don't have to make that choice.


I would prefer they use their early draft picks elsewhere and draft a QB in the later rounds. They have to draft a QB this year regardless and at this point, I don't see any harm or downside in allowing Tebow to get some more time. If teams start to figure him out next year, the record will reflect it and they could again find themselves in a position to draft a QB high next year (not suggesting that will happen by any means but it is a realistic thought).

[Broncos86]

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Depends on what we'd get. If they could grab a second round pick for Tebow, I'm currently all for it. Tebow is improving, but he hasn't proven to me that he's indispensable (yet). I still don't believe this offense is sustainable. I'd currently much rather see us with one of the top QBs coming out in this draft.

That being said, Tebow can certainly prove his quality with the remaining games. But he needs to do it from the pocket and prove he can be that passer who also runs (not the other way around). Also, I don't take much weight in columnists and radio show hosts who talk about speculation as if it's fact.

[av7]

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Grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Interesting little nugget

http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7291606/denver-tim-tebow-effectively-brings-high-school-offense-nfl

Fun Tebow note: reader Derek Knowlton of Layton, Utah, points out that owing to the run-oriented game plans of Broncos High School, Tebow does not have enough pass attempts to appear in the NFL's quarterback rankings. If Tebow were ranked, "His current NFL passer rating of 80.5 is better than Joe Flacco, Michael Vick and Matt Cassel. His average of one touchdown per 17.9 passes is better than Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger and Jay Cutler. His one interception in 143 attempts is the lowest interception rate in the NFL, lower even than Aaron Rodgers."

Rookie QBs always asked not to make mistakes and to not turn the ball over. Tebow is doing that so I'll take it at this point

[Jonsco28]

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Right or wrong... if Elway dumps Tebow after this season, there is going to be anarchy. I can't see it happening now. Tebow would have to totally flame-out the rest of this year in order to give Elway justification.

I doubt Tebow ever develops into a pure pocket passer. I believe he will improve in the passing game, but he is what he is. Right now that's a winner. I don't think you can pigeon hole him and make him a pocket passer. He's comfortable doing what he does, and he does it well.

The truth is nobody knows how this is going to go because he's not like anything the NFL has seen before.

[wwharton]

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You guys aren't buying into the "Elway doesn't want him" talk, are you? I thought that was just in the general forum. When hearing the full interview he clearly said on a rebuilding team, everyone's job will be evaluated at the end of the year and QB is no different. He didn't really just say "No, I don't think we've found our franchise QB yet" he said they aren't making decisions on anyone at this point in the season... people just want to push for an answer about Tebow now and he refuses to give it.

[letsgopens66]

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You guys aren't buying into the "Elway doesn't want him" talk, are you? I thought that was just in the general forum. When hearing the full interview he clearly said on a rebuilding team, everyone's job will be evaluated at the end of the year and QB is no different. He didn't really just say "No, I don't think we've found our franchise QB yet" he said they aren't making decisions on anyone at this point in the season... people just want to push for an answer about Tebow now and he refuses to give it.

Those people need to realize that franchise quarterbacks don't happen in one year. 2-3 good years are needed in order to determine that. Just look at Derek Anderson and Mark Sanchez.

[wwharton]

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Those people need to realize that franchise quarterbacks don't happen in one year. 2-3 good years are needed in order to determine that. Just look at Derek Anderson and Mark Sanchez.

Derek Anderson is a good example (though he was signed off a practice squad so I don't know why he got so hyped in the first place) but not Sanchez. He's still a product that can't be fully judged. Their oline is much worse than the past, as is the running game and he's not experienced enough to overcome those obstacles... especially with being asked to carry more of the offensive load out of the blue. He may end up alright.

Your point stands though, and I agree. But really those people just want to be convinced that there's a conspiracy theory and Elway hates Tebow. There's absolutely nothing to support it. He's said things that are purposely vague bc a decision hasn't been made. If you think he hates Tebow then you can use those statements as proof, but at face value he's said nothing either way... besides definitely saying "I really hope Tebow is our guy" and they just say that's PC talk to keep their argument going.

[Jonsco28]

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You guys aren't buying into the "Elway doesn't want him" talk, are you?

I'm not and I'm tired of hearing about it. I do think Elway would definitely like and prefer a more prototypical QB. I think Elway is just being honest. He truly doesn't know. Nobody does. I would like to see Tebow succeed, but if I had to put money on it either way, I don't know which way I would go.

I love how when Elway says something that can be construed as a negative toward Tebow, it's all over the internet. When he says something positive about him, it almost goes unnoticed.

I'm also tired of how people judge Elway's reactions. Crazy. Elway is not a RAH! RAH! guy. I thought all of his reactions were pretty much in-line with what I would expect. Golf clap? Please. I also thought it was cool how he made his way down to the sidelines at the end of the SD game.

People need to realize that if the Broncos organization wanted Tebow to fail, it would be very easy. They would have kept the offense the same as it was and he would have sank. They didn't. They played to his strengths.

[Broncos86]

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I personally trust Elway to know the QB position. If he says "Tebow isn't our guy" then it's true for me. I'll trust that Elway knows a thing or two more about playing QB in the NFL than I do. And I can see that Elway is drawing on his own experience in this matter. And I HATE conspiracy theories.

[Jonsco28]

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I agree. He hasn't said that he isn't 'our guy' yet, though. All he's said is he hasn't seen enough to proclaim him as Denver's longterm QB. There is no real surprise in that.

Denver will no doubt draft a QB this year. Where they pick one will depend on how well Tebow does the rest of the way out. If Tebow continues like this, I expect Denver to roll with Tebow into next year. He will then have an entire off-season to develop as the starting QB. I think that will help immensely.

[Broncos86]

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I agree. He hasn't said that he isn't 'our guy' yet, though. All he's said is he hasn't seen enough to proclaim him as Denver's longterm QB. There is no real surprise in that.

Denver will no doubt draft a QB this year. Where they pick one will depend on how well Tebow does the rest of the way out. If Tebow continues like this, I expect Denver to roll with Tebow into next year. He will then have an entire off-season to develop as the starting QB. I think that will help immensely.

Yeah, good points. My one speculation is Adam Weber. He's a solid QB, but he's also a project. I wonder if the Broncos see enough in him that, if Tebow shines, they pass on a QB in this draft. They need to address every position possible, and if Weber shows potential, I could see a veteran being signed to back up Tebow and that 5th or 6th rounder going to a position of need. Of course, that's if Tebow shines (and I REALLY do want Tebow to make this a tough choice).

[Jonsco28]

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You could be right. It wouldn't surprise me if they passed on a QB, kept Weber, and brought in a veteran QB. If Tebow continues to show promise, I'd actually like them to do just that. There are so many unknowns right now. It may be hard to justify drafting another late round QB when they already have that in Weber.

The other wildcard is what will happen with Quinn. I see him leaving, but who knows? He may be content where he is at within Denver's organization.

[Broncos86]

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I guess it's a question of whether or not Quinn thinks he can be a starter or not. Personally, I think he won't get another chance. But then again, the Texans gave one to Leinart when I thought he was done. So who knows. IMO, Quinn signing here next year says he believes he's a back up. There's no way he'll get a legitimate shot at starting here. Weber will get the shot before he will.

I like Quinn and I think he's a stand-up individual. That said, I'd rather see us sign a veteran who can lend an ear to Tebow and give him some guidance, then step in if need be. I don't think Quinn is that guy. Quinn needs advice, he can't give it. I'd like to see us sign someone like Delhomme if he's back on the market, or someone of that nature.

[Jonsco28]

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Yeah, I agree on all points. That's why I think Quinn will probably be gone. I can totally see Delhomme coming in here, especially given his past with Fox. That would seem to make sense. I'd really like seeing a vet come in that's willing to help Tebow develop.

[Salhus]

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As Bronco fans...would you want to see that move made?

The only move I'd approve of is a deal that would bring in Luck. He's a once a decade type QB, IMO. I don't see something like that happening, though.

side note- I love Tebow, but Broncos most valuable asset is Von Miller