Official Denver Broncos Thread

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I don't think you can really say the Chiefs haven't proven anything, but not going to say they're world beaters by any stretch. Their luck and strong defense so far is something I think a lot of Denver fans would recognize from a couple years ago actually...

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Realistic Broncos fans do recognize that a good defense with unprecedented luck resulted in wins in the Tebow era. These same fans also understood that it wasn't sustainable and was't the formula for winning a SB, even when it was happening. All I am asking is some realistic perspective by Chiefs fans when reviewing the Chiefs and Broncos respective seasons to date.

For example, as a Broncos fan, Denver's turnover rate concerns me. Chris Clark starting at left tackle vs Houston/Hali concerns me. Denver playing in Arrowhead concerns me. Seems easy to me,the but I havn't heard any Chiefs fans admitting to their teams weaknesses or playing at altitude vs a no-huddle team. I don't feel that is too much to ask for when engaging in an intelligent football conversation.

[mestevo]

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I'm not other Chiefs fans, I fully expect a losing streak to start in Denver next week.

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I'm not other Chiefs fans, I fully expect a losing streak to start in Denver next week.

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Didn't mean to infer that you were. Sorry. Just saying Chiefs fans in general.

[mestevo]

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Didn't mean to infer that you were. Sorry. Just saying Chiefs fans in general.

Nah, I know where you were coming from, no biggie.

I hope the games are good, I hope the Chiefs at least put up a good fight in Arrowhead, but it's time for the 'well we've been impressed by the defense but have always wondered when the offensive woes would bite them' game... which I expect will evolve into 'they started the season 9-0 and then lost x straight...' story.

I mean really look at it, there are 7 games left, only 3 in Arrowhead (SD, DEN, IND). Winning 3 of those 7 would be a pretty remarkable feat given the offensive output. I have a hard time picking the 3. SD, @ OAK, @ WAS? They could lose all 7. Last year they would have, the difference is they aren't making the game-killing mistakes and those they are making the defense is making up for.

It's funny because friends at work tell me 'you behind your team yet?' - and I ask them if they've even been watching these games? It's exciting to win, but would be nicer if it was a bit more convincing and balanced.

OK, it's the Denver thread, enough of that hippie Chiefs stuff .

[Jonsco28]

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Their luck and strong defense so far is something I think a lot of Denver fans would recognize from a couple years ago actually...

Where did that get us?

That season ended in horrible fashion, minus the playoff victory over Pittsburgh.

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If the Chiefs can get that much success from this unit i think they'll be pretty fortune. Playoff game provably end up in Denver too

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[Broncos86]

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Fine game yesterday. I have a feeling, however, that we'll be seeing Osweiler start before the end of the year. Manning isn't taking these hits very well.

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MRI on Manning showed no significant changes. He 'simply' re-aggravated the injury. Manning says he will play vs. KC.

Denver needs these upcoming games, but I'm almost thinking it would be better to sit Manning and let him fully recover. I hate to say that, but Denver isn't going to get very far if they can't push the ball downfield every now and then.

I almost think that Denver could beat KC at home with Os. Almost.

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I think we need Manning to play and get the ball out a few tenths of a second faster and throw the ball away/get down under pressure to not take a hit.The o-line,especially Clark need to be on their A game.Clark hasn't played as well the last couple of games but what could you expect.

The thing that worries me is the feeling that they won't want to go downfield now and the opposition will sit on the wr screens and such.I would still rather have it in Manning's hands though.Not sold on Osweiler yet.

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I think this game hinges more on Knowshon and the running game as a whole. Knowshon has had some of his best games vs KC. But, more than anything, KC's run defense is their weakness... attack it and the passing game will open up.

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The one thing about Peyton Manning is that he can identify defensive habits. So if the defense starts sitting on screen passes and covering the RBs tight out of the backfield, you can expect more slant and seam routes. I'm not sure if the short passes were a result of what the Broncos saw out of the Chargers' defense, or because of our own offense. The short passes worked over and over again, so I'm inclined to say that the Broncos saw something on film that the SD defense was doing and attacked it.

It seems like the Broncos are using Moreno to thwart blitzes by punishing them instead of blocking the blitzers. Have Manning dump it off and make the linebackers respect that play. I don't think Moreno needs to gain yards out of the running game, he just needs to be productive. So long as those dump offs and screen passes are effective, it's essentially the same thing as a running game. And honestly, Moreno is much more effective in those situations.

This is basically the offense that Josh McDaniels ran; he simply didn't have the QB to run it effectively. Otherwise, the game plan isn't so different. A lot of short - medium passes, most of the plays come from shotgun (including runs), get to the line quickly and make reads, punish the defense deep when they cheat. Makes sense that three of our weapons (Decker, D.T, Moreno) were drafted by McDaniels. Remember what happened when defenses caught on about Orton throwing short? Defenses sat on those short routes. The difference is, Manning can make the right adjustments and put our team in a position to succeed.

In the end, I don't think Manning is going to survive the hits he's taking. And these wouldn't be hits that Osweiler would be taking. Manning is so incredibly immobile that these routine tackles become jarring to him. And we can expect defenses to continue to tackle at his knees. It's really a snowball effect, because the injuries to his ankle/knees will only cause him to become less mobile. A couple good wacks, and he won't be able to plant and throw.

[Jonsco28]

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Unfortunately, Manning's ankles are going to be something they have to contend with for the rest of the year. Manning won't sit. He didn't even want to come out of the game when all that was left was kneeling on the ball.

We will see much more max-protect schemes and Welker will probably see less playing time as a result. The offense has been pretty much nothing but short passes and screens, and I don't see that changing. I really think that has a lot to do with Manning's inability to really step into his throws due to his right leg.

It would be really nice to get that running game going now.

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That is precisely why Moreno needs to rush the ball. While the screen plays have been successful much of the year, I think KC will be ready for it as their front 7 are very fast to the ball. Moreover, more passing will equal more hits on Manning. Denver must find success running the ball vs KC's weak rush defense early.

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That's kind of what the quick screens to Moreno do, though. If KC continues to blitz the Broncos, screen passes and quick dumps to Moreno will continue to burn them over and over again. KC will either continue to blitz and continue to give up 7 yards a reception to Moreno, or the linebackers won't be able to pass rush and it will give Manning more time. Eventually, those linebackers are going to cheat on Moreno and leave zones wide open for the receivers. I think we're doing a great job of utilizing our playmakers.

There's another aspect to keep in mind, with all this. The screens and dumps to Moreno keep him healthy. Pounding Moreno will wear him down, and we need that kid to stay healthy. Yeah, we need to run the ball, but I'm starting to understand the logic we're using in our play-calling. Moreno is much more effective in open space, and we don't wear him down. Losing Moreno would be a massive blow to our offense. We'd lose our only adequate pass-blocking RB, and we'd be left with two fumble prone RBs and a rookie who just came off a long injury recovery.

That being said, the KC front four is going to cause us problems. I hope Peyton can hold up in this game. The Brock Osweiler era is just one big hit away.

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That's kind of what the quick screens to Moreno do, though. If KC continues to blitz the Broncos, screen passes and quick dumps to Moreno will continue to burn them over and over again. KC will either continue to blitz and continue to give up 7 yards a reception to Moreno, or the linebackers won't be able to pass rush and it will give Manning more time. Eventually, those linebackers are going to cheat on Moreno and leave zones wide open for the receivers. I think we're doing a great job of utilizing our playmakers.

There's another aspect to keep in mind, with all this. The screens and dumps to Moreno keep him healthy. Pounding Moreno will wear him down, and we need that kid to stay healthy. Yeah, we need to run the ball, but I'm starting to understand the logic we're using in our play-calling. Moreno is much more effective in open space, and we don't wear him down. Losing Moreno would be a massive blow to our offense. We'd lose our only adequate pass-blocking RB, and we'd be left with two fumble prone RBs and a rookie who just came off a long injury recovery.

That being said, the KC front four is going to cause us problems. I hope Peyton can hold up in this game. The Brock Osweiler era is just one big hit away.

I agree with you... screens and dump offs to Moreno have been successful this year. I just think that Moreno will have success running against KC as did Spiller. This will also open up the play action. More than anything, I don't want Manning taking cheap shots when he drops back to pass. A handoff will protect him more.

What I find most interesting is how nobody is talking about Denver's improving D vs KC's anemic offense. The real question is how many points can KC score... especially if Denver does not turn the ball over and allowing KC's defense to generate points??? Denver's defense is highly underrated at this point with Miller back and the rest of the D getting healthy. Miller and Woodyard along with Phillips can be pretty intimidating also.