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  • jake19ny
    MVP
    • Mar 2011
    • 1938

    #1

    Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

    Call me crazy but hear me out...I keep trying to understand how come a tuner designed to increase stick contact during poke check can end up making the game speed faster or the Goalies worse, etc etc...EA clearly lists in tuner notes what the tuner is for yet it seems to completely overhaul the entire AI and gameplay every time.

    These latest tuners are a perfect example; The September 28 tuner had a handful of changes then September 30 tuner notes imply it only removed the poke checking yet the entire game plays different than it did after the original September 28 tuner. Shouldn't it play exactly the same just without the over the top tripping? My initial thoughts were for every action there is a reaction so every time they make a change to one thing it will affect something else. I still think that's true but I'm not convinced one thing alone can alter the entire gameplay and AI.

    So here is where my crazy thought comes in...I'm a long time EA NHL player and back in the PC hey day we had some amazing modding communities for visual, AI, and tools. It's where I was introduced to NHLview and I miss it dearly. I was also introduced to a tool called the TCE (total control editor) it opened up the NHL AIdata.viv (or something like that) which was basically the games AI. It had many of the sliders we see as game players but also had a lot more we're not privy to or able to edit. It also allowed us to edit on a scale of 1-100. Well during my time with NHL 2008 and 2009 I noticed that when I altered the AI it would work just fine but once I overwrote the edited AIdata file the gameplay would be all jacked up and not how it should have played based on my settings. I ended up having to keep unedited copies of my AIdata and when I wanted to tweak things I had to start with a fresh AIdata file instead of overwriting the same one.

    Now I know the next gen systems are not a PC and the files are not the same, but what if that's the issue and they don't even know it? Maybe every time they keep overwriting these tuners to fix something it's messing other stuff up to the point it doesn't resemble the original AI. It's so very similar to the problens I had in the PC day and until it was discovered I had the same frustrations we seem to have now. Just a thought.
    Last edited by jake19ny; 09-30-2015, 10:33 PM.
  • kehlis
    Moderator
    • Jul 2008
    • 27738

    #2
    Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

    That's tough to read man, can you maybe go back and space it out a bit?

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    • jake19ny
      MVP
      • Mar 2011
      • 1938

      #3
      Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

      Lol. I thought the sane thing reading through it.
      Let me if it's a bit better now.
      Last edited by jake19ny; 09-30-2015, 10:28 PM.

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      • Vikes1
        Proctor, MN. Go Rails!
        • May 2008
        • 4102

        #4
        Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

        I just wish we could go back to where we could choose which tuner we preferred. I'd love to have a tuner released that added somehow a more "human element" to vs cpu play.
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        • JezFranco
          Pro
          • Jan 2010
          • 725

          #5
          Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

          Can't say exactly how their tuners work, but what's sure is that there's always other things that get messed up or changed, and has been since they introduced the tuners.

          Combine that with the the save function that wasn't specific to different modes, it made a situation where it was almost impossible to keep the gameplay the same throughout a season as they keep releasing tuners that are supposed to fix A and B, but also alters C, D, E and F...

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          • northmen24
            MVP
            • Oct 2006
            • 1060

            #6
            Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

            In my expierence Penalties and Game Speed go hand in hand. If the game speed is too slow and players move too slow then there's no penalties. The faster and quicker the players the more careless sticks and body checks get. I just don't think you can have penalties and slow game speed with the engine this game is made with.

            Just my opinion. I use game speed 0 but have player acceleration at 4/4 and its perfect for me.
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            • bad_philanthropy
              MVP
              • Jul 2005
              • 12167

              #7
              Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

              Originally posted by Vikes1
              I just wish we could go back to where we could choose which tuner we preferred. I'd love to have a tuner released that added somehow a more "human element" to vs cpu play.
              Agreed, and for me that was the Sept 28th. I have no problem if others found it's changes made gameplay unenjoyable, and I applaud the dev team for listening, but everyone can be accommodated here by allowing earlier tuners to be used.

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              • NDIrishRangers78
                Rookie
                • Oct 2013
                • 72

                #8
                Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                I wrote on their Facebook page and they said they are aware of the problems and are working on it


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                • bad_philanthropy
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2005
                  • 12167

                  #9
                  Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                  Originally posted by NDIrishRangers78
                  I wrote on their Facebook page and they said they are aware of the problems and are working on it


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                  What did you post about precisely? The AI, or did you reference/link to the OP's post?

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                  • tinpanalley
                    MVP
                    • Apr 2006
                    • 3401

                    #10
                    Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                    Ths is why I play with the original tuner set, I just adjust my sliders accordingly and never download any others. If I can't control the variables, then I don't want variables. It's like with the 2K NHL series or really any older sports game. You knew what you could change and what you couldn't and somewhere in there you found a playable game.

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                    • jake19ny
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 1938

                      #11
                      Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                      Originally posted by tinpanalley
                      Ths is why I play with the original tuner set, I just adjust my sliders accordingly and never download any others. If I can't control the variables, then I don't want variables. It's like with the 2K NHL series or really any older sports game. You knew what you could change and what you couldn't and somewhere in there you found a playable game.


                      Yes but some guys have had the tuner download automatically after starting and everyone else gets it automatically downloaded when you do anything with the game online wise. That's why the best and ridiculously simple answer is for them to stop overwriting the tuners and go back to 1.00, 1.01, 1.02, etc.. so we can all choose.

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                      • CupCrazyManiac
                        Banned
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 775

                        #12
                        Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                        Originally posted by jake19ny
                        Yes but some guys have had the tuner download automatically after starting and everyone else gets it automatically downloaded when you do anything with the game online wise. That's why the best and ridiculously simple answer is for them to stop overwriting the tuners and go back to 1.00, 1.01, 1.02, etc.. so we can all choose.
                        agree that would be the best to go back to v1.00, v1.01. and so on.


                        BTW: i deleted my NHL profile file and started a new game /play now and a new season) and it plays way different...in a better way, that without any new tuner!

                        Try it test it out yourself...

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                        • jake19ny
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 1938

                          #13
                          Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                          Originally posted by CupCrazyManiac
                          agree that would be the best to go back to v1.00, v1.01. and so on.


                          BTW: i deleted my NHL profile file and started a new game /play now and a new season) and it plays way different...in a better way, that without any new tuner!

                          Try it test it out yourself...


                          how about penalties? the knock on the out of the box tuner was there were no penalties being called. the other drawback is, thanks to no roster vault or sharing, the only way to get the updated roster after the season starts is to go online and then its going to automatically install the new tuner that overwrites the original.

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                          • NDIrishRangers78
                            Rookie
                            • Oct 2013
                            • 72

                            #14
                            Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                            Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
                            What did you post about precisely? The AI, or did you reference/link to the OP's post?

                            I posted about the AI's lack of dumping and strategy and how the game is like NHL hitz now and also lack of variety in penalties happening and they commented back that they are aware of it and working on it.


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                            • NDIrishRangers78
                              Rookie
                              • Oct 2013
                              • 72

                              #15
                              Re: Thoughts on tuners: call me crazy

                              Originally posted by CupCrazyManiac
                              agree that would be the best to go back to v1.00, v1.01. and so on.





                              BTW: i deleted my NHL profile file and started a new game /play now and a new season) and it plays way different...in a better way, that without any new tuner!



                              Try it test it out yourself...

                              How do you delete it? I don't see any option to delete it anywhere


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