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  • GlennN
    MVP
    • Oct 2003
    • 1930

    #16
    Re: Why this series is dying

    Originally posted by Fiddy
    They are limited with the ratings per the NHLPA. So no players get butthurt etc. But for sure can do a much better job at making players feel different.
    Yeah, I am not convinced the NHLPA is the issue. Other sports games, licensed by unions at least as strong as the NHLPA, have a wide range of ratings (both overall and between attributes).

    Just as an example, look at the Eagles in Madden 16. The best overall rating of a player is 96, the worst is 51. Look at Speed rating - best is 92, worst is 59. I don't have MLB The Show's ratings available at the moment, but I am sure at least the overall player ratings run a spread of more than 30 points on most teams. These are the spreads missing in NHL 16.

    And, yes, I absolutely agree with you that the problem is compounded by the fact that, even aside from the minimal difference in ratings, the players all feel the same.

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    • Tsuki
      Pro
      • Jul 2010
      • 637

      #17
      Re: Why this series is dying

      So is there anything as OS users we can do?

      Is there like a core list of 10 things we would liked focused on in terms of the topic relating to rosters, for the years to come to be submitted to EA or a dev or something? Sitting here discussing amongst ourselves does not mean much.
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      • GlennN
        MVP
        • Oct 2003
        • 1930

        #18
        Re: Why this series is dying

        Originally posted by Tsuki
        So is there anything as OS users we can do?

        Is there like a core list of 10 things we would liked focused on in terms of the topic relating to rosters, for the years to come to be submitted to EA or a dev or something? Sitting here discussing amongst ourselves does not mean much.
        I doubt there is anything we can do. I just like to b***h and moan!

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        • Efbomb
          Rookie
          • Oct 2013
          • 171

          #19
          Re: Why this series is dying

          Originally posted by Tsuki
          or just give us the tools to edit and share rosters and they can do outta box all they want.
          ^ Nailed it!

          Not everyone that plays NHL is a socially inept 13 year old who would homer up all the attributes of their favorite team.

          A lot of us, myself included, would love to put out our own rosters. Rosters that genuinely reflect the NHL and it's incredible athletes. Rosters that are un-biased and fair.

          By not allowing roster sharing, EA is slowly killing this game for its loyalists. The replay factor is wearing thin. Even myself, I don't play any other game but NHL during the season, but come mid June, I'm all over The Show.

          That's what EA needs to emulate. The Show, with its roster sharing feature keeps the replay factor going all year.

          If NHL had roster sharing, I'd be all over a 80's to '90's best of roster. Or even an all-time best of roster. I'd play NHL all year.

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          • yankeesgiants
            I Drink Like A Champion!!
            • Feb 2007
            • 2477

            #20
            Re: Why this series is dying

            The problem with the NHL series is that it's a generic 50/50 low risk approach designed for everybody. That's great except neither the arcade or the sim gamer is actually happy about it. With less sports titles to pick from, you have to decide what you are.
            I dont remember there names but they were allot of fun....

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            • jake19ny
              MVP
              • Mar 2011
              • 1938

              #21
              Re: Why this series is dying

              Earlier in the thread the Game Changers were mentioned and whether or not it was a marketing ploy. Well it appears they will be using game changers next year again and over on the EA forum their us a thread for members to answer a few questions to see about selection.

              The positive note is EA basically admits that last years Game Changers were there for EASHL and that they want to get people involved who play other modes as well as increase the amount of Game Changers they bring in. The downside is virtually everyone responding answers they play mainly online and have suggestions in regards to that mode. Man do we need one us hardcore offline season mode or BeaGM mode guys on that committee.

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              • Simple Mathematics
                MVP
                • Sep 2009
                • 1791

                #22
                Re: Why this series is dying

                Originally posted by jake19ny
                Earlier in the thread the Game Changers were mentioned and whether or not it was a marketing ploy. Well it appears they will be using game changers next year again and over on the EA forum their us a thread for members to answer a few questions to see about selection.

                The positive note is EA basically admits that last years Game Changers were there for EASHL and that they want to get people involved who play other modes as well as increase the amount of Game Changers they bring in. The downside is virtually everyone responding answers they play mainly online and have suggestions in regards to that mode. Man do we need one us hardcore offline season mode or BeaGM mode guys on that committee.
                If they want some OS members to join the game changer team, then consider this the start of my campaign to be one of the OS representatives. My focus will be rosters and BaGM.
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                • jake19ny
                  MVP
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 1938

                  #23
                  Re: Why this series is dying

                  Originally posted by Simple Mathematics
                  If they want some OS members to join the game changer team, then consider this the start of my campaign to be one of the OS representatives. My focus will be rosters and BaGM.
                  You would have my vote! There are actually a handful of guys around here that I'm sure would do a great job if EA would select them and actually listen. Many of us with the same gripes and same solutions...

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                  • MizzouRah
                    All Star
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 8552

                    #24
                    Re: Why this series is dying

                    [rant]

                    I've always given this series the benefit of the doubt.. I have spent a great deal of my free time dedicated to this series. That being said.. the goalies have to be redone from the ground up! I just had a goal scored on me where it was a clear from the other teams goal area and the puck rolled slow to my goalie, who goes into a typical butterfly and lifts up his pads and the puck rolls right underneath it for a goal that cost me the game, 2-1.

                    I can deal with a lot of the short comings with this series, but I cannot deal with stupid goalie animations like this that turn into goals or the ones that go right through the goalie's pads!!!

                    The goalies have been the same for many, many years and it's time to rework the whole goalie system!

                    I deleted another BeaGM because I'm too frustrated to deal with it. If there is a slider that ties in with animations or goalie stuff, then let us know!! I had aggression up max, did that cause this behavior? I also had goalie reaction to FULL, so there is no way stuff like this should happen!

                    Start listening to those of us who are OFFLINE BeaGM players!!! We deserve some attention!

                    [/rant]

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                    • thejudicata
                      Rookie
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 77

                      #25
                      Re: Why this series is dying

                      Why do you say the game is dying? Do you have sales/financial numbers that show that EA's NHL franchise is dying?

                      NHL 16 is a much better game than NHL 15, but that's mostly because NHL 15 was just the bare bones of a game.

                      NHL 08-11 were all pretty well received.

                      NHL 12-14 I think were just average improvements, not that impressive unless you just wanted the newest game.

                      NHL 15 was a huge step back and IMO NHL 16 is an improvement,

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                      • AdamJones113
                        #AyJay
                        • Apr 2013
                        • 2764

                        #26
                        Re: Why this series is dying

                        Originally posted by MizzouRah
                        [rant]

                        I've always given this series the benefit of the doubt.. I have spent a great deal of my free time dedicated to this series. That being said.. the goalies have to be redone from the ground up! I just had a goal scored on me where it was a clear from the other teams goal area and the puck rolled slow to my goalie, who goes into a typical butterfly and lifts up his pads and the puck rolls right underneath it for a goal that cost me the game, 2-1.

                        I can deal with a lot of the short comings with this series, but I cannot deal with stupid goalie animations like this that turn into goals or the ones that go right through the goalie's pads!!!

                        The goalies have been the same for many, many years and it's time to rework the whole goalie system!

                        I deleted another BeaGM because I'm too frustrated to deal with it. If there is a slider that ties in with animations or goalie stuff, then let us know!! I had aggression up max, did that cause this behavior? I also had goalie reaction to FULL, so there is no way stuff like this should happen!

                        Start listening to those of us who are OFFLINE BeaGM players!!! We deserve some attention!

                        [/rant]
                        Abso-freakin'-lutely. Goalie animations, and AI goalies as a whole, need to be addressed on a major scale.
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                        • bad_philanthropy
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2005
                          • 12167

                          #27
                          Re: Why this series is dying

                          With sliders I really like the game. I think there are a lot of really well-executed and subtle gameplay mechanics that make the game a relatively deep experience as far as sports games go.

                          It's a shame EA Canada allowed 15 to happen like it did. I think that really set the series back more than anything.

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                          • MizzouRah
                            All Star
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 8552

                            #28
                            Re: Why this series is dying

                            Originally posted by AdamJones113
                            Abso-freakin'-lutely. Goalie animations, and AI goalies as a whole, need to be addressed on a major scale.
                            They make all these eye popping saves, but can't save a slow rolling puck. The stupid pads lifting off the ice at just the right time for a goal is my favorite.. NOT.

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                            • thejudicata
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 77

                              #29
                              Re: Why this series is dying

                              Originally posted by bad_philanthropy
                              With sliders I really like the game. I think there are a lot of really well-executed and subtle gameplay mechanics that make the game a relatively deep experience as far as sports games go.

                              It's a shame EA Canada allowed 15 to happen like it did. I think that really set the series back more than anything.
                              I agree, a lot of the animations have been real subtle and a major improvement. I love how the animation you generate while shooting is so sensitive to how you are controlling your player and the difference it makes in being able to score.

                              NHL 15 was a disaster, but NHL 16 is a pretty solid improvement. Probably the best product in the series in the last 3-4 years so they seemed to have improved their approach to the game.

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                              • jake19ny
                                MVP
                                • Mar 2011
                                • 1938

                                #30
                                Re: Why this series is dying

                                Originally posted by MizzouRah
                                [rant]

                                I've always given this series the benefit of the doubt.. I have spent a great deal of my free time dedicated to this series. That being said.. the goalies have to be redone from the ground up! I just had a goal scored on me where it was a clear from the other teams goal area and the puck rolled slow to my goalie, who goes into a typical butterfly and lifts up his pads and the puck rolls right underneath it for a goal that cost me the game, 2-1.

                                I can deal with a lot of the short comings with this series, but I cannot deal with stupid goalie animations like this that turn into goals or the ones that go right through the goalie's pads!!!

                                The goalies have been the same for many, many years and it's time to rework the whole goalie system!

                                I deleted another BeaGM because I'm too frustrated to deal with it. If there is a slider that ties in with animations or goalie stuff, then let us know!! I had aggression up max, did that cause this behavior? I also had goalie reaction to FULL, so there is no way stuff like this should happen!

                                Start listening to those of us who are OFFLINE BeaGM players!!! We deserve some attention!

                                [/rant]
                                Many of us feel your pain. I will say aggression maxed shouldn't have an effect but I did try goalie speed maxed and saw really horrible animations and weird goals going in. I use 5 because in EAs 6 click slider system the difference between 5 and 6 is huge but the goalies play better for some reason.

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