The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

[phillyfan23]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Im playing on all star level, cpu diff adjustment at 0. here are some game results that ive played on play now (exhibition mode)

Devils (me) at Rangers: 3-4
Flyers (me) vs Sabres : 6-1
Flyers ( me) at Detroit: 0-2
Flyers ( me) at maple leafs: 4-2
Penguins ( me) at isles: 7-2
La ( me) vs SJ : 1-3
La ( me) at SJ : 3-2 OT

The issue of comeback ai is literally the FIRST thing i test and i test this extensively.

Problem in some games is that there is rubberband....once you get a 2 goal lead, the cpu will not only play differently but their shots have a higher chance to go in.

So what ive tested is to see if this specific issue comes up when younare leading. Did not see it at all. Agains buffalo with the flyers i jumped out to 4-0 lead after 1st period, and pretty much coasted the whole way through. Mason stopped 22 of 23 shots and stopped 15/16 after it was 4-0.

Same thing happened when i won 7-2 with penguins.

The game against the leafs i held a 3-2 lead after 2, and in the 3rd they came in waves, but i got a PP late 3rd and scored.

Game against Sj with LA , i held 2-0 lead until 10 mins left and they scored 2 goals, but then i won in OT.

With these games on exhibition, its pretty safe to say that there isnt comeback ai/ rubberband logic.

Now i will test using SEASON mode and see if it holds up, because in my previous years of testing, ea nhl, pro evolution soccer, fifa series play differently in play now exhibition and franchise in terms of comeback ai. Its particularly bad in the soccer games but ive seen it too in nhl when after u have a 2 goal lead, henrik lundqvist suddenly turns into a drunk ilya bryzgalov


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[AdamJones113]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Im playing on all star level, cpu diff adjustment at 0. here are some game results that ive played on play now (exhibition mode)

Devils (me) at Rangers: 3-4
Flyers (me) vs Sabres : 6-1
Flyers ( me) at Detroit: 0-2
Flyers ( me) at maple leafs: 4-2
Penguins ( me) at isles: 7-2
La ( me) vs SJ : 1-3
La ( me) at SJ : 3-2 OT

The issue of comeback ai is literally the FIRST thing i test and i test this extensively.

Problem in some games is that there is rubberband....once you get a 2 goal lead, the cpu will not only play differently but their shots have a higher chance to go in.

So what ive tested is to see if this specific issue comes up when younare leading. Did not see it at all. Agains buffalo with the flyers i jumped out to 4-0 lead after 1st period, and pretty much coasted the whole way through. Mason stopped 22 of 23 shots and stopped 15/16 after it was 4-0.

Same thing happened when i won 7-2 with penguins.

The game against the leafs i held a 3-2 lead after 2, and in the 3rd they came in waves, but i got a PP late 3rd and scored.

Game against Sj with LA , i held 2-0 lead until 10 mins left and they scored 2 goals, but then i won in OT.

With these games on exhibition, its pretty safe to say that there isnt comeback ai/ rubberband logic.

Now i will test using SEASON mode and see if it holds up, because in my previous years of testing, ea nhl, pro evolution soccer, fifa series play differently in play now exhibition and franchise in terms of comeback ai. Its particularly bad in the soccer games but ive seen it too in nhl when after u have a 2 goal lead, henrik lundqvist suddenly turns into a drunk ilya bryzgalov


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Why you heff to be mad?

[Steven547]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

THIS.

Ever since I have adjusted my HUM strategy slider to match the CPU's (2 or 3, cant remember) the games have been more even.

If you have HUM strat set to 0 and you do not adjust to the CPU's when they are behind you will feel the pressure.

I do agree with this. I also feel that the HUM strategy "coach" is not very smart, and this also helps create that "catch-up" logic. I play with HUM strategy at 6 because I would like to just enjoy playing the game.

But what I've seen doesn't make sense in the strat adjustments the "coach" makes for you. When my team is up by 1 goal, the HUM strat "coach" goes into protect mode. Defend the net, not aggressive anymore and basically just keep dumping the puck and playing defense.

Even if you score first within the first few minutes of the game, the AI "coach" goes into this protect the net mode. Problem with this, is it gives the opposing team more chances to score on you because your team is not aggressive anymore.

I've never seen a professional team go into this protect mode when only ahead by 1 goal, especially with 2 1/2 periods left to play. They still play aggressive. The logic in this game needs a major overhaul. I do think the logic selection plays a lot into what people think is "catch up".

[NEOPARADIGM]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

My Nords are 24-6-3 right now, 6-point lead in my division.

3.02 GFA & 2.32 GAA.

10-minute periods, All-Star.

Can't say I agree.

[Money99]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Im playing on all star level, cpu diff adjustment at 0. here are some game results that ive played on play now (exhibition mode)

Devils (me) at Rangers: 3-4
Flyers (me) vs Sabres : 6-1
Flyers ( me) at Detroit: 0-2
Flyers ( me) at maple leafs: 4-2
Penguins ( me) at isles: 7-2
La ( me) vs SJ : 1-3
La ( me) at SJ : 3-2 OT

The issue of comeback ai is literally the FIRST thing i test and i test this extensively.

Problem in some games is that there is rubberband....once you get a 2 goal lead, the cpu will not only play differently but their shots have a higher chance to go in.

So what ive tested is to see if this specific issue comes up when younare leading. Did not see it at all. Agains buffalo with the flyers i jumped out to 4-0 lead after 1st period, and pretty much coasted the whole way through. Mason stopped 22 of 23 shots and stopped 15/16 after it was 4-0.

Same thing happened when i won 7-2 with penguins.

The game against the leafs i held a 3-2 lead after 2, and in the 3rd they came in waves, but i got a PP late 3rd and scored.

Game against Sj with LA , i held 2-0 lead until 10 mins left and they scored 2 goals, but then i won in OT.

With these games on exhibition, its pretty safe to say that there isnt comeback ai/ rubberband logic.

Now i will test using SEASON mode and see if it holds up, because in my previous years of testing, ea nhl, pro evolution soccer, fifa series play differently in play now exhibition and franchise in terms of comeback ai. Its particularly bad in the soccer games but ive seen it too in nhl when after u have a 2 goal lead, henrik lundqvist suddenly turns into a drunk ilya bryzgalov


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Great stuff Philly.
I'll be interested in your Season Mode testing.
I've always felt this game played really well in exhibition. The rubber band affect doesn't appear to be present and the CPU doesn't receive as many cheats either.
Season mode has always been a different story, however.

[phillyfan23]

The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Just played another game rangers at flyers ( me):

Went up 3-0 after midpoint of 2nd period. And held on for the shutout after a big push from the rangers. Outshot 31-21 and 12-4 in the 3rd. Mason made his best saves in the final period when new york was really pushing. The result of the game is once again showing there is no comeback ai in play now/ exhibition.

Will start a season soon and see how it is, hopefully its the same because if there is comeback ai, it's just not worth playing and i will stick to play now.


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[ktd1976]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

There is NO catch-up logic, Ice tilt, comeback code, whatever you call it. It doesn't exist.

The CPU teams change their strategies when trailing late in the game. They get more aggressive, shoot the puck more.

What I would bet is happening is the user isn't adjusting to what the CPU is doing.

Think about it, they are making an adjustment to counteract what you are doing. You have to adjust back, or you will get burned....

[jake19ny]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

I'm not seeing any ice tilt or comeback logic at all. I have had teams rally from 2 goals down to beat me and I have had teams roll over and die when I'm up 3 or 4 goals. I have had teams flat out play better than me and I have had games where I'm unbeatable. It's only natural and a good thing that a team should make a late push trailing by 1 or 2 goals. I only wish the CPU would use its time out and get its top line out there rather than the 4th line, which is all too common. I also wish the CPU had better logic for pulling goalie I feel it's always a little to late.

[Steven547]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

As I said, I do think it's the strategies affecting this feeling of "ice-tilt". I played a game using NBC's sliders and I'm a position lock player. Probably the first game in a long time I shut out the opponent. I also out shot them by a lot.

But I did notice, when you let the CPU adjust your strategies, there are some odd selections. You go up one goal and the CPU coach goes into this sit back / defense / protect the net mode.

Also, I don't think the CPU adjusts your individual lines. So if your guys are at about 20% efficiency over energy/hustle, they will also play back and the CPU opponent will shoot more.

I think if EA, in the next version, focuses on coach strategies (all aspects of it), I think the game will play more balanced. But, I also think there isn't enough "human element" in the CPU opponent.

[Money99]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

I have to disagree.
I would always counter the CPU'S all out attack strategy with a defensive one and it didn't seem to matter.
Gaining the puck and skating out of the zone becomes a lot harder.
I also noticed that weak, unscreened shots would find their way into the back of the net.
I also noticed a lot more unrealistic pucks being batted out of the air by scrub players.
Essentially, everything goes right for the CPU while everything goes wrong for the human player.
This isn't in anyone's head. It happens in FIFA and Madden as well so clearly EA has a product-wide mandate to make sure every game is a nail biter.


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[jake19ny]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Hey Phillyfan23 your inbox is full lol. Go ahead and post what I sent you earlier in a PM, in this thread that's fine with me

[phillyfan23]

The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Cant copy paste using my phone to show your resuts jake

But jakes season scores showed at least 4 games where he won by a minimum margin of 2 goals. I remember a 6-2 win and 4-0 shutout as well. He has played roughly 20 games or so.

From my own testing in the early going of my season mode

Record 4-3

Won 2 games by one goal ( one in SO)
Won 2 games by 2 or more goals

4-1 29 save effort by lundqvist
5-3 win after trailing early 2-0

Maybe i "comebacked AI" the AI

But all games felt organic, no cpu cheating and nearly all goals scored on me in my season mode have been high quality chances off great cpu plays or my bad mistakes creating golden chances. Lundqvist let in one long unscreened slapper, which has been his only bad goal of the young season.

P.s playing as the rangers feels very different than the flyers. All the lines can score....while philly's bottom 6 is a black hooooole



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[phillyfan23]

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Yet another 4-1 win 28 save game for lundqvist

5-3 in the season with 3 games won rather easily against detroit, washington and carolina. Plays pretty much the same as play ow which is great. Now i can have a real season with stats/ injuries...


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[sirio994]

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I don't think there's a comeback logic. This is simply the game with the biggest momentum (the other sports games have nothing compared). Probably too much momentum. Team A goes up 2-0, team B scores. 2-1, the next goal will be scored by team B (2-2 because momentum is now on their side). That's the feeling i have every time. I feel i can predict the game...

[airjuice]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Glad this form is available for me to vent. I've been playing NHL since NHLPA 93, so I'm not new to this game.

This has been a problem with the NHL games for the last couple years. I can't tell you the number times where I've witnessed remarkable comebacks. I decided to come invent here because of the last one I currently had in NHL 17. I was up one nothing against the Rangers with my goalie Roberto Luongo playing out of his mind and stopping everything. Then comes the last two minutes of play. This is when things got crazy as they usually do. The Rangers wouldn't let me get the puck out of the zone no matter what I did. I haven't slapped it down the ice and he stopped it with his club at the blue line, come on! So with the empty net the Rangers score the tying goal with nine seconds left. OK I can live with that they had the net empty with an extra attacker. The goal was a fluke but I was OK with it. So off the face-off what happens, they win the face-off of course and make their way down to my zone and shoot the puck from just inside the blue line and of course they score the winner with four seconds left. My goalie was stopping everything up until the last two minutes and then they score 2 weak goals. Don't tell me the game is not rigged. This happens way too often for to be not rigged.