The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

[phillyfan23]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

What is your cpu difficulty adjustment level slider? This needs to be at 0.


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[actionhank]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Glad this form is available for me to vent. I've been playing NHL since NHLPA 93, so I'm not new to this game.

This has been a problem with the NHL games for the last couple years. I can't tell you the number times where I've witnessed remarkable comebacks. I decided to come invent here because of the last one I currently had in NHL 17. I was up one nothing against the Rangers with my goalie Roberto Luongo playing out of his mind and stopping everything. Then comes the last two minutes of play. This is when things got crazy as they usually do. The Rangers wouldn't let me get the puck out of the zone no matter what I did. I haven't slapped it down the ice and he stopped it with his club at the blue line, come on! So with the empty net the Rangers score the tying goal with nine seconds left. OK I can live with that they had the net empty with an extra attacker. The goal was a fluke but I was OK with it. So off the face-off what happens, they win the face-off of course and make their way down to my zone and shoot the puck from just inside the blue line and of course they score the winner with four seconds left. My goalie was stopping everything up until the last two minutes and then they score 2 weak goals. Don't tell me the game is not rigged. This happens way too often for to be not rigged.

But the thing is...that's not necessarily rigged. Teams come back in sports in real life all of the time. Teams sometimes hem others in their own zones for minutes on end.

It's possible for these things to happen. Do the goalies let in awful goals? Yeah, definitely. But they do it at any point in the game. Do the AI teams sometimes swarm for what seems like an eternity before scoring on a shot and you feel like you could never get the puck? Yep. But, again, that happens sometimes.

[Steven547]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

But the thing is...that's not necessarily rigged. Teams come back in sports in real life all of the time. Teams sometimes hem others in their own zones for minutes on end.

It's possible for these things to happen. Do the goalies let in awful goals? Yeah, definitely. But they do it at any point in the game. Do the AI teams sometimes swarm for what seems like an eternity before scoring on a shot and you feel like you could never get the puck? Yep. But, again, that happens sometimes.

I think it's merely a matter of EA creating a balanced difficulty setting. As it is now, PRO can be challenging, but you will win and PRO favors the HUM. All Star favors the CPU and a lot of the "catch up" comes from that. There is no balanced mode.

If EA ever gave us a balanced difficulty and let the game be decided on player ratings, I don't think we'd be having this "catch-up" logic discussion. Also, getting rid of certain sliders and allowing the game to play according to the player ratings would help.

The attribute slider is discussed every year. Each year, no one knows how it exactly works because everyone experiences different things. Get rid of it. Player attributes is all we need. If we relied on player attributes, and you had a team comprised of OVR 90 rating and played against a team with OVR of 50, and the "50" won.....yea, I would say there is catch up logic.

But IMO, the catch up logic is because of the difficulty levels and the sliders that wash out player ratings. Let's say you play a team where a player has a 70 for shot accuracy rating. You raise the Shot Accuracy slider (which increases the chances of scoring)....from what I understand, that will also raise each players shot accuracy attribute, which gives us the illusion there is no separation between players. How can a player with a rating of 70 score so much? Well, the shot accuracy slider was raised. How can he skate so far? Gamespeed slider was raised.

Rid the sliders that are "player" based and I do believe we'll have that non "catch up" logic game.

[airjuice]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

But the thing is...that's not necessarily rigged. Teams come back in sports in real life all of the time. Teams sometimes hem others in their own zones for minutes on end.

It's possible for these things to happen. Do the goalies let in awful goals? Yeah, definitely. But they do it at any point in the game. Do the AI teams sometimes swarm for what seems like an eternity before scoring on a shot and you feel like you could never get the puck? Yep. But, again, that happens sometimes.

I agree with you, it does sometimes happen in a game. My problem is that it happens too often in EA NHL games. I wish I could have recorded what happen in my post for you to see. Just think, I gave up a lead and the go ahead goal within 9 seconds of the game ending. That never happens in real life. Well, I should never say never, but you get my point..

[phillyfan23]

The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

My last 5 games :

2-0 win against flames ( lundqvist)
2-0 win against oilers ( raanta)
4-3 loss against canucks ( lundqvist)
3-2 win against blue jackets ( raanta)
3-0 win against panthers ( lundqvist)

No comeback ai whatsoever, none.

The canucks game they led 2-0 after 1, i led 3-2 after 2 and they scored 2 goals in the 3rd period to win 4-3.

All of this in my season mode with rangers.

Record now 9-8-2



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[onlybygrace]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

I'm 86 games into my season, playing every game, and have seen zero comeback wins that elicited any suspicion of some sort of comeback AI. Does the AI turn up the heat when trailing? Yes, and in realistic fashion...take some personal responsibility and adjust accordingly...get the puck in deep and ward off the surge.

[mdgoalie37]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

I played the first game of my Flyers franchise last night. I entered the third period up 2-0 over the Kings. They scored 5 minutes in, a play started because I turned the puck over right at the blue line. Late in the third period there were multiple penalties called...on the Kings. They tried to apply pressure but I was able to get the puck out of my end and wound up winning 2-1.

Yes they will apply pressure late, as they should. And maybe something, like a penalty call or some other circumstance, will occur from time to time, but it does in real life too. If the CPU truly never wanted us to win a game we wouldn't.

[KoryDub]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

I'm 86 games into my season, playing every game, and have seen zero comeback wins that elicited any suspicion of some sort of comeback AI. Does the AI turn up the heat when trailing? Yes, and in realistic fashion...take some personal responsibility and adjust accordingly...get the puck in deep and ward off the surge.

Precisely! Well said.

I get why the conspiracy theorists think there's 'logic' behind the scenes, but they always ignore scenarios such as yours.

[WeirdViper]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Precisely! Well said.

I get why the conspiracy theorists think there's 'logic' behind the scenes, but they always ignore scenarios such as yours.

i find a theme with a lot (not all) the complaints people have with this game... a lot of the things they claim are bugs...glitches...conspiracies... i have honestly never seen lol

[Jatt96]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

I use to think this until I played "up 2-0" hockey. I made frequent line changes, played defensive hockey, dump and change, don't take stupid penalties.

It got easier to hold the lead, and of course when playing defensive you feel the pressure.

One big thing is turning CPU and Human strategy adjustment to 0.

[Steven547]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

I use to think this until I played "up 2-0" hockey. I made frequent line changes, played defensive hockey, dump and change, don't take stupid penalties.

It got easier to hold the lead, and of course when playing defensive you feel the pressure.

One big thing is turning CPU and Human strategy adjustment to 0.

I definitely think EA needs to adjust the AI's "thinking" with strategy adjustments. If you put HUM strategy above 3, and you take the lead by 1 goal, the "AI Coach" goes into a laid back defense mode. They do a lot of protect the net and not aggressive on offense. I've never seen a team in the NHL go passive after leading by only 1 goal. I like having the HUM strat at 3 or more because I want to just play the game, but the AI "thinking" is horrible.

I also think we need a balanced difficulty. Let's play the game according to the player ratings, not a tuner or slider set, but player ratings. If you have a team that is 50 OVR and they beat your team of OVR 80, then yes I would say catch up logic exists.

But I do believe a lot of this feeling is coming from the sliders not being balanced and difficulty mode favoring either HUM or CPU. We need balance.

[phillyfan23]

The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

The evidence shows that there is no comeback ai whatsover in nhl 17.

Since my last post, in my rangers season i've been on a win streak.

3-1
5-1
6-2


Record now 17-10-2 with lundqvist's sv pct at .918 and rising.




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[Fiddy]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Like it has been mentioned before, you have to adjust your strats and or have the CPU do it for you. Even with either of the above you have to play smart as mentioned as well. You can't play d in the zone and click on everyone that is close to the puck. Play your position and take away the slot from the CPU, force them into something else. Get the puck, chip it out etc.

I'm 17-6-1 in my Pens franchise. I play with my sliders, home games on all-star, and road games on superstar.

Caps 5-4 W
Ducks 7-6 W OT
Av's 5-1 W
@Habs 5-1 W
Sharks 4-1 L
@Preds 2-1 W
Panthers 2-1 W OT
Isles 4-1 W
@Flyers 5-2 L
@Ducks 5-4 W OT
@Kings 5-1 W
@Sharks 4-3 L OT
Oilers 4-3 W OT/Shootout
Wild 2-1 L
Leafs 6-3 W
@Caps 8-1 L
@Isles 3-2 L
@Sabres 6-2 L
Rangers 4-1 W
@Rangers 5-2 W
@Wild 5-2 W
Devils 3-2 W
@Isles 4-3 W
Stars 4-3 W OT/Shootout

[jake19ny]

Re: The Catch-up logic in this game is as bad as it has ever been.

Yep. The catch up logic or ice tilt is not something in the game but happens as a result of sliders and strategies. I've no doubt people are seeing it and I've seen it in the past but I found my sweet spot and have not had to deal with super invincible CPU or last minute unrealistic comebacks.
My last 2 games in my Ranger season:

NYR 5 Carolina 0 (chased Ward early second period)
Buff 3 NYR 1 (had 5 PP with some great shots robbed by Lehner)

I'm still in disbelief that I'm this far into my season and it has not imploded lol.
Ranger Season 16-5-4 (I think)
Ottawa Season 9-4-2

I downloaded patch but will not download tuner since I'm not having any issues to complain about. If it ain't broke don't fix it