Passing is horrible!

[football0021]

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I think the passing is almost perfect. What the game needs is a chip mechanic wholly separate from passing. Chipping is a huge part of NHL hockey. In addition the deflections off of inaccurate/too powerful passes need to be reworked extensively. The puck bounces weird practically all the time. NHL caliber players direct the puck or at least touch it when the pass is too hard or slightly inaccurate.

[bradigor]

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I think the passing is almost perfect. What the game needs is a chip mechanic wholly separate from passing. Chipping is a huge part of NHL hockey. In addition the deflections off of inaccurate/too powerful passes need to be reworked extensively. The puck bounces weird practically all the time. NHL caliber players direct the puck or at least touch it when the pass is too hard or slightly inaccurate.

This I agree with, I feel I can only really dump the puck, or shoot it around the boards. Sometimes a chip happens, but that is likely by chance, rather than design.

Overall though, I like the passing.

[adayinthelife]

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I don't know how some people can say that the "load up passing" isn't realistic. It's WAY more realistic than any type of passing in any hockey game to date. I can see how it's frustrating for those that are just used to the old insta-passes, but it's most certainly more realistic by a long shot.

Go grab a stick and tell me how hard and how accurate you can pass a puck without putting a little something into it, which takes a second.

I LOVE the passing and I really hope they don't change it back to the way it was, or at the very least leave it as an option for offline players. I do like the sounds of a chip mechanic being added as well though.

[catcatch22]

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I don't know how some people can say that the "load up passing" isn't realistic. It's WAY more realistic than any type of passing in any hockey game to date. I can see how it's frustrating for those that are just used to the old insta-passes, but it's most certainly more realistic by a long shot.

Go grab a stick and tell me how hard and how accurate you can pass a puck without putting a little something into it, which takes a second.

I LOVE the passing and I really hope they don't change it back to the way it was, or at the very least leave it as an option for offline players. I do like the sounds of a chip mechanic being added as well though.

This makes no sense based on that you can shoot with plenty of speed and umph yet there is a delay for the passing and not for the shooting?? Does that make sense to you. If that is the case then shooting should have just as much a delay. They did not make the shooting like Pro Evolution Soccer where you control power and speed of the shot and even in that game there is no ridiculous delay. The passes and shots are very responsive.

I think before you guys make judgments yall need to try other games that use a similar mechanic before you totally write off what I am saying. There is an obvious delay that is not as significant in other games that use the same process.

[adayinthelife]

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This makes no sense based on that you can shoot with plenty of speed and umph yet there is a delay for the passing and not for the shooting?? Does that make sense to you. If that is the case then shooting should have just as much a delay. They did not make the shooting like Pro Evolution Soccer where you control power and speed of the shot and even in that game there is no ridiculous delay. The passes and shots are very responsive.

I think before you guys make judgments yall need to try other games that use a similar mechanic before you totally write off what I am saying. There is an obvious delay that is not as significant in other games that use the same process.

What is the delay you're talking about then?

Sure, you can shoot quick shots, but if you really want to put some mustard on it you need to charge it up a bit or, take a slapshot which also takes time. Just like real life.

I'm reading your comments as you complaining about the fact that the pass doesn't occur until you take your finger off of the trigger button, as opposed to the pass happening the second you tap it as in years past - is this not what you're talking about?

[thedudedominick]

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I personally love the passing in this game. Passing was way too easy before, and I was always frustrated by the lack of ability to control how hard my passes are. If I want to try and force a pass through a defender I can now put a lot more power on it and it might go through. Before you just had to hope that your guy would do the right amount of power. I can honestly say I haven't had a moment thinking, NHL needs to fix its passing this year. 90 percent of what I play is EASHL, but even in my offline BAGM I don't have any problems moving the puck around.

Also the slap pass is great to use around the boards in the offensive zone. There is no real "loading" it up, only the wind of up the stick.

[catcatch22]

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What is the delay you're talking about then?

Sure, you can shoot quick shots, but if you really want to put some mustard on it you need to charge it up a bit or, take a slapshot which also takes time. Just like real life.

I'm reading your comments as you complaining about the fact that the pass doesn't occur until you take your finger off of the trigger button, as opposed to the pass happening the second you tap it as in years past - is this not what you're talking about?

No after you release the button for a pass for some odd reason I get no response. It happens more when I time a pass before I take a hit. It is as if the hit has already been calculated and thus nullifying my button press. It may have to do with the new hitting animations when this happenstance occurs.

It happens in other scenarios as well where when I release the button there is a delay then it passes it. I have seen it with the push the puck as well where I press and release and there is long delay till that move is realized.

Also even if that issue I speak of did not occur it still does not make up for not being able to put power into a quick pass. A flick of the wrist is all that is needed to make a quick hard pass.

In the Rangers game against Edmonton today Frolov stole the puck and made a pass from inside his blue line to the other blue line to a streaking Gaboric for a break away goal. In his motion to make the pass it was very quick fluid and effortless with out him having to pause and somehow muster up strength to make a pass. This is not football or Shot putting, the puck is hard but light enough that you natural swinging instincts is enough to put more than enough speed to make a puck move fast. Like I said you can shoot harder and quicker in the game than you can pass with snap shoots and alike then why would a pass be somehow a slower motion.

[JezFranco]

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I don't know if this is online related, i.e. there is lag that causes a delay after you release the button.
Cause I mainly play offline, and the split second I release the button the puck is on it's way... no delay whatsoever.

The delay on the push puck however I've seen as well, and I get the feeling that it is depending on how your guy is positioned; If I'm going in a straight line and push puck it happens immediately.
However If I've just knicked a loose puck, going in a circle or taking a hit, the push puck while not initiate until the player is sort of ready to start skating full speed.
While it can be annoying at times, I can understand the mechanism behind it, you're snot supposed to push puck while going in circles.


As a guy that started with manual passing last year already, all I can say is that I think the passing is great, it's improved from last year and it is light years better than the auto passes done before. Might not be perfect, but I couldn't see me go back to auto passes ever again.

[catcatch22]

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I don't know if this is online related, i.e. there is lag that causes a delay after you release the button.
Cause I mainly play offline, and the split second I release the button the puck is on it's way... no delay whatsoever.

The delay on the push puck however I've seen as well, and I get the feeling that it is depending on how your guy is positioned; If I'm going in a straight line and push puck it happens immediately.
However If I've just knicked a loose puck, going in a circle or taking a hit, the push puck while not initiate until the player is sort of ready to start skating full speed.
While it can be annoying at times, I can understand the mechanism behind it, you're snot supposed to push puck while going in circles.


As a guy that started with manual passing last year already, all I can say is that I think the passing is great, it's improved from last year and it is light years better than the auto passes done before. Might not be perfect, but I couldn't see me go back to auto passes ever again.

It's not the accuracy but the speed and the timing of the release. Let me release the puck with speed when I release the button. That is all I am asking. The delay after I release the button is too long. I don't mind missing by 20 feet as long as they let me get a pass off to begin with. too many times the pass goes off badly because of the delay.

Also for the push the puck I am not skating in circles I am skating straight ahead and get no response until far too late and by then I have little to no room to deke out the goalie.

[JezFranco]

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It's not the accuracy but the speed and the timing of the release. Let me release the puck with speed when I release the button. That is all I am asking. The delay after I release the button is too long. I don't mind missing by 20 feet as long as they let me get a pass off to begin with. too many times the pass goes off badly because of the delay.

Also for the push the puck I am not skating in circles I am skating straight ahead and get no response until far too late and by then I have little to no room to deke out the goalie.

Ok, so back to my intial question then; is it only Online related?

As I mentioned, I don't have a problem with the passing, and I'm playing offline mainly. There is no a delay when passing offline, so that's why I'm asking if it could be due to lag.

[adayinthelife]

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No after you release the button for a pass for some odd reason I get no response. It happens more when I time a pass before I take a hit. It is as if the hit has already been calculated and thus nullifying my button press. It may have to do with the new hitting animations when this happenstance occurs.

It happens in other scenarios as well where when I release the button there is a delay then it passes it. I have seen it with the push the puck as well where I press and release and there is long delay till that move is realized.

Also even if that issue I speak of did not occur it still does not make up for not being able to put power into a quick pass. A flick of the wrist is all that is needed to make a quick hard pass.

In the Rangers game against Edmonton today Frolov stole the puck and made a pass from inside his blue line to the other blue line to a streaking Gaboric for a break away goal. In his motion to make the pass it was very quick fluid and effortless with out him having to pause and somehow muster up strength to make a pass. This is not football or Shot putting, the puck is hard but light enough that you natural swinging instincts is enough to put more than enough speed to make a puck move fast. Like I said you can shoot harder and quicker in the game than you can pass with snap shoots and alike then why would a pass be somehow a slower motion.

Ok, so back to my intial question then; is it only Online related?

As I mentioned, I don't have a problem with the passing, and I'm playing offline mainly. There is no a delay when passing offline, so that's why I'm asking if it could be due to lag.

Some sort of online lag is all I can think of too, I really don't experience what you're describing at all, but I very rarely play online so that might be why.

As for the passing system, I'm not saying that you need to really wind up to do crisp passes, but it absolutely takes more effort and energy than short ones. I can't think of a better way to represent that in a video game than the way they have it currently, outside of maybe using the right stick with a modifier (right trigger) to pass as well as shoot, but that would get too complicated for most people I think.

[catcatch22]

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Here is another problem with the crazy delayed passing. Here is the scenario.. I am trying to switch to another defender to prevent a shot on goal. I pressed the switch button only once. A shot is taken before I get a switch to another defender thus making pass the puck with my goalie into my own net. The thing was I had pressed switch a good 2 seconds before the goalie makes a pass. This has happened a good 20 times where my goalie passes it without me even trying too.

This did not happen last year at all during versus games online. Now it is an every game occurrence.

[JezFranco]

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The scenario you're describing is unknown in my world.
You have still not replied wiether this is online only, but my guess it is, otherwise it would happen to all of us.

You internet connection/NAT when playing online must be bad.

[catcatch22]

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The scenario you're describing is unknown in my world.
You have still not replied wiether this is online only, but my guess it is, otherwise it would happen to all of us.

You internet connection/NAT when playing online must be bad.

If you read the first post in this thread then you wouldn't need me to answer your question, as for my connection it is 30 download and 5 upload with with Optimum online boost the fastest internet you can get in New york city in my area along with the newest Linksys 170 dollar router (E3000 I believe) I purchased just so I can play this game lag free. So it is not my connection. Plus I never had thses issues last year with a less speedy connection.

[slickdtc]

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I'm not quite understanding what you're saying either, but this may help: do the one time passing. You have to preload your passes, like preloading a throw on a double play in baseball video games. So when you do the initial pass, when that pass is sailing to the intended player you're already loading up pass #2. I haven't used the slap pass, yet, I'll have to add that to my arsenal.

I use the dump puck (aka the shoot stick when outside the offensive zone) a lot. When the puck is dumped into my defensive zone, I'm already pressing on the right analog a split second before I get to the puck to whip it around or reverse it around the boards to a teammate or to an empty space. Just not too early or they'll go into a hit animation. In the 2k series, you always had to control the puck before you could dump it. The delay was awful.