2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

That's a good observation with the shot speed effecting the amount of goals from distance.
It even kinda makes sense from a realism perspective.

As I said I have several codes working that makes shots range much wider from, especially from sharp angles, but it didn't seem to effect the straight long shots enough, so I decided to not use any of these, until I can fix all of that, but still keep the AI score enough/nice goals, without making it feel like cheat (aka EA game)

I do have even the codes working for shot power, so I will even look into that.

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

That's a good observation with the shot speed effecting the amount of goals from distance.
It even kinda makes sense from a realism perspective.

As I said I have several codes working that makes shots range much wider from, especially from sharp angles, but it didn't seem to effect the straight long shots enough, so I decided to not use any of these, until I can fix all of that, but still keep the AI score enough/nice goals, without making it feel like cheat (aka EA game)

I do have even the codes working for shot power, so I will even look into that.

Yes from a realism perspective I actually like the fact that I get something out of winding up for a slap shot more than just the visuals. Earlier the slap shot was mostly a visual thing. The wrist shots were hard enough and you could shoot them so much quicker that there was no reason whatsoever to use the slap shots more than visually. Now they are useful when you can get them at the net and you need to play in a way to create time to use them just like real life.

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

I just played an awesome match between Vancouver and Winnipeg in franchise that went 2-2 and to shoot out. All goals felt really realistic, and the Winnipeg goalie played well, something like 89 SV%. In the shootout Edler decided it with a slap shot from the point that just looked awesome. I like the settings I have now. However goalies with something like 70 overall are really weak. I will probably need to make goalies much higher rated. Another thing I was wondering that I have not tested is if the type of goalie has effect. It is mainly the high shots glove and stopper side that go in too often and perhaps some goalie types make them be positioned more badly than others?



Also lowering rebounds keep scores down more but this can also make the CPU score less as they tend to make many of their goals on rebounds or due to the fact the goalie can't find the puck until it goes in. The rebound setting seems to effect this.

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

great to see you enjoying the game. I'm having absolute blast too (just by not exploiting the long shot issue too much

I think overall the problem is not weak goalies, but that long-range shot is just way too overpowered.

Remember, these games were originally made for the Wii crowd, which are mainly the kids with nunchucks Lol
So they made it that it is actually harder to miss the net than score a goal and as you said these shots are even too powerful.

Considering what all was already possible to do with this game towards realism, I'm pretty sure I can improve even this piece, it'll just take some more time.

Another important piece is the faceoffs, they are too easy to win (as they were in 2K8 or 2K10 for Xbox360)


Today's game, position lock

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[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

What are your thoughts on A.I. poke checking animations? Too slow or fine?

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

What are your thoughts on A.I. poke checking animations? Too slow or fine?

I haven't thought so much about them specifically but will try to see if I notice anything.

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

Gm 6

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[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)



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[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

This is really interesting but it is important that it does not get too hard to hit the net from close range.


In real life in a real game it is also a lot about how you shoot under pressure. IRL I would actually know a couple of players that wouldn't miss much from that range while shooting like you do in the video. However in a match, while skating, under pressure, the accuracy goes down A LOT. That is something that the game does not simulate. You shoot very accurately even when a bit off balance and at top speed or twisting and turning. What if the accuracy could go up if you got more space, or were gliding more and not skating etc...



And still, in my opinion the backhand shots should be weaker and less accurate if possible.


In my opinion the keepers are too weak on the high shots. They simply miss pucks with the blocker and catcher that a top goalie today would extremely rarely miss. This might be due to improved collision detection which makes the goalie hit boxes smaller.


But we are really in to details here on what could be improved, but as it is it is more often that the keepers have a 60-70 SV% than a 90 SV% and that is not realistic. Those are NHL94 goalie stats. I am not sure making players miss the net more often will fix this. It will be really interesting to see how you will work on this and how it turns out. I have faith in you.

[Jlnhlfan]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

I really want to play this mod, but all of my controllers are of the PlayStation variety, with no Xbox controllers to be found. Does that mean I can't play it?

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

I really want to play this mod, but all of my controllers are of the PlayStation variety, with no Xbox controllers to be found. Does that mean I can't play it?

You can play with just about any usb enabled pad with enough sticks and buttons. You will just have to configure the controller manually in dolphin.

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

This is really interesting but it is important that it does not get too hard to hit the net from close range.


In real life in a real game it is also a lot about how you shoot under pressure. IRL I would actually know a couple of players that wouldn't miss much from that range while shooting like you do in the video. However in a match, while skating, under pressure, the accuracy goes down A LOT. That is something that the game does not simulate. You shoot very accurately even when a bit off balance and at top speed or twisting and turning. What if the accuracy could go up if you got more space, or were gliding more and not skating etc...



And still, in my opinion the backhand shots should be weaker and less accurate if possible.


In my opinion the keepers are too weak on the high shots. They simply miss pucks with the blocker and catcher that a top goalie today would extremely rarely miss. This might be due to improved collision detection which makes the goalie hit boxes smaller.


But we are really in to details here on what could be improved, but as it is it is more often that the keepers have a 60-70 SV% than a 90 SV% and that is not realistic. Those are NHL94 goalie stats. I am not sure making players miss the net more often will fix this. It will be really interesting to see how you will work on this and how it turns out. I have faith in you.

Funny, I remember I actually had little "fight" on the good old 2khockey.net forums with @wewantthecup (gameplay producer) where I was upset that the game (2k10) has the shooting logic reversed.

In these games (2k10/2k11) more distance from the goal you shoot the puck, the easiest it is to hit the goal (the game literally lock you, you almost can't miss the net) and closer you get to the goal, that lock will be less effective.

The most difficult it is when the goalie is away from net or really out of position. Then you can be almost sure that you'll hit the post Lol (if you're not aiming low)

[jaiman]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

Can this somehow be played on a Mac?

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

I have been able to raise the goalie sv% atleast in cpu vs cpu by maximizing GLOVE, BLOCKER and PADS attributes at 99 for all goalies. Remains to be seen what range we need to set to get good enough keepers. And I still have not made the exploit test though have only been simming...

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.8 (June 5 2020)

This has definitely improved the goalies. I'm having much closer to realistic shooting percentage right now. I'm still using low shot power but I kind of like the fact that it's a bit hard to shoot and you get rewarded for slappers etc.
However less mistakes by the keeper at the same time has made it harder for the computer to score. Will have to run a couple of games to decide on a verdict. I am pretty close to doing some kind of global goalie edit though to fix this in the 2K20 roster addon. I am not sure how boosted goalies will effect the simulated season stats though so that's another test I will need to make. Players already score a bit too few points, but perhaps the goalie overalls can be kept lower by balancing other stats that mean less ingame. I still know too little about how the different goalie stats effect things like sim results.