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  • Dick_Smalls
    Pro
    • Jul 2002
    • 902

    #1

    NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

    While I agree that this is the best hockey game made to date, Operation Sports review of 95 is just too much for this game. There are some problems with the game that prevent it from breaking the elite 90's in my opinion.

    If I had to stick a score to this game, I'd say it's an 88 or 89. There are just too many basic things missing from Franchise mode that should be included in career mode such as boxscores from around the league, or just even other scores, period. You should be able to see other team's schedules and game stats.

    Also the game has a host of team tactics and plays yet the cpu seems to play all the teams around the league almost identical. Whether Im playing against the Flyers, Red Wings or the NJ Devils, each game feels strangely similar. There's simply not enough varying degrees of distinct playstyles between the different teams.

    And finally, the CPU has a difficult time putting the puck in the net and keeping realistic degrees of pressure in the attacking zone. Also , the goalies, in general, have inhumane reflexes that result in an awefully high amount of saves versus goals let in.

    Like I said ealier, the game is the best hockey game around based on the fact that it portrays aspects of hockey that have not yet been done correctly in a video game hockey game but there is still a bit too much forgiveness of the faults in this game that really hurt the overall experience.

    I have tried just about everything to reduce the goalie effectiveness in franchise play by bumping the game to All Star and Pro modes as well as increasing the Offense slider and reducing the defense and Goalie sliders with only minimal effectiveness.
    Most games still only result in 1-0 and 2-1 affairs against the CPU in 7 or 8 minutes modes on my XBOX

    Please if there is anything you can offer to make this game more dynamic, i'd appreciate it....As it stands now, I am very close to just returning the game and getting NHL Hitz 2003 and wait till next season for 2K4 version of NHL.
  • cookusu
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 1685

    #2
    Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating..

    I must just be getting worse, cause the more I play the more I get scored on, haven't messed with the sliders all that much except for a boost ot the offensive AI.

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    • Vinsanity
      Banned
      • Jul 2002
      • 5088

      #3
      Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating..

      Dick_Smalls I agree 110%!

      This game while one of the best hockey games ever made, still lacks in many areas including gameplay. I would have scored in the low 80's myself. Check my post a few posts down. I too was frustrated with the game. So much potential but yet so far away. Let's hope next year brings us an improvement. Especially the goalie effectiveness like you said.

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      • Dick_Smalls
        Pro
        • Jul 2002
        • 902

        #4
        Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating..

        cook....please tell me what your doing to get scored upon I have intentionally traded away great defensive players in exchange for more offensive scorers and for the most part the results show when I SIMULATE games....I notice my team's scores are usually 4-3, 7-4, 6-3, ect. and I my team's Offensive rating ranks 3rd and Defense is 24th...just want I wanted to see .....BUT when I actually play the games against the CPU, it still remains the same, my scores are usually 1-0 in OT or 2-1, ect.

        It has become very frustrating to me to keep playing these types of games...especially against highly offensive opponents! Which also brings me to my next point. There are so many different STRATEGY settings which include Offensive pressure, various Forechecking, Backchecking, defensive coverages, ect ect yet, I swear, each team I play seems to play the same style of game, over and over. I would like to see some variety in the different teams. Its almost as if every cpu team has their team's settings set the same way.....I am so upset cause this game is a very fun game to play with a realistic pace and playstyle but there are things that are really getting to be gamekillers for me after extensive career mode play.

        If someone could recommend some settings to boost up the goal scoring, I'd appreciate it.

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        • **DONOTDELETE**
          Hall Of Fame
          • Oct 2025
          • 19598

          #5
          Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating..

          i am having no troubles witht he cpu scoring. i have lost 7-0 twice now on 5 min periods. you are right though that there are things missing in the franchise mode.

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          • Dick_Smalls
            Pro
            • Jul 2002
            • 902

            #6
            Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating..

            7-0!!??.......Jeez! The only time the CPU can consistently score on me is when I stupidly have my Goalie fire the puck to the center of the ice trying to pass to a teammate and the CPU intercepts it and fires a point blank slapper all in one motion....otherwise the CPU puts alot of quality shots on the net at close range but the goalies have an ugly habit of using their cat like glove hand reflexes to rip down shot after shot

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            • cookusu
              MVP
              • Jul 2002
              • 1685

              #7
              Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating..

              Right now I am playing on All-Star with the Black Hawks and the default slider settings except I moved the hit power slider to the left to reduce the power of the hits. I just tied Nashville in Nashville 5-5. I think I am playing 10 minute periods. I then lost to Detroit in Chicago 3-1.

              I assume you are playing with fatigue on and line changes and all that?

              Most of the goals that are scored against me are because I get out of position on defense, I play(I think it is a box defense or something, it's not the zone), but sometimes I move a defensemen out of position or sometimes the puck movement and the CPU move some of my players out of position and I get beat.

              I admit it is disappointing that more slap shots by both me and the CPU don't get past the goalie, and I admit the game is not perfect but it is damn fun to play.

              Also you have mentioned the similarity in strategy by the CPU, but they actually change their strategy's during the game on the fly, so I have noticed quite a few different looks from each team. Whether they are team specific and reflect teams in real life I haven't noticed.

              Some of the things that happen in this game are just astounding as far as AI goes, seeing my defensemen join the attack at just the right time or the CPU players responding to what I do and what the CPU does is pretty impressive.

              You could experiment with the strategies, i bet if you went more aggressive and sent more guys in to forecheck you would get scored on more.

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              • Nivek
                H*ll *f F*m*
                • Jul 2002
                • 7999

                #8
                Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating..

                I gotta disagree...

                I can score, the cpu can score on me, and I think the franchise mode is deep. My only compaint is that there isn't an option in franchise mode that allows for shorter seasons.

                This game IS the NHL. If you don't like it, well...go play Hitz or EA's version of hockey.
                Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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                • NBKiller
                  Pro
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 643

                  #9
                  Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

                  I don’t have any of the issues you guys have with the game. The teams play different to me. Some teams you can feel they’re a bit faster than your team and some of the teams defense is hard to crack sometimes. Some teams you can spend all day in front of the net and some you barely get a shot off. Some teams you can pass all day with no problems and some just intercept almost every pass. The game isn’t perfect but it’s the best one we got.


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                  • Erv
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2105

                    #10
                    Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

                    i have to say overall, even though it was due to the broken engine, that NHL 2003's offensive AI is WAY ahead of NHL 2k3's. some of it may not be realistic, but the cpu. in 2003 keeps you on your toes. I don't know, the whenever they get past your line in your terriotory, all you have(allstar) to do is front the guy basically and he kept going until he is by the back of your net. I thought ok that is fine for 1-1, but when I saw this happen on a 3-1 I knew something was off. I still think the goalies can be adjusted by turning them to two, and spending an hour lowering there stats, especially reaction/reflexes. Also next game I play I will just raise the offense slider to the max.

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                    • NBKiller
                      Pro
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 643

                      #11
                      Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

                      Let me try and understand what you’re saying Erv. You have trouble with 2K3 when the other team is in front of your net and all you have to do is ride him until he goes pass the net in a 0ne-on-one situation and even in a three-on-one situation? If that’s what you meant I don’t have that problem because in that three-on-one situation they usually pass to the open guy on me. That’s the only way the CPU scores on me other than on power plays.

                      The other thing you said was
                      </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
                      I still think the goalies can be adjusted by turning them to two, and spending an hour lowering there stats, especially reaction/reflexes.


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                      Are you having trouble scoring on them that bad? Maybe you need to stick to playing NHL2003 which in my opinion is a score fest.


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                      • Nivek
                        H*ll *f F*m*
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 7999

                        #12
                        Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

                        </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
                        Are you having trouble scoring on them that bad? Maybe you need to stick to playing NHL2003 which in my opinion is a score fest

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                        I agree

                        Ur not gonna score a lot of goals in this game. I LOVE this game for that, I'm sick of playing my friends in NHL 2003 and putting up 11 goals on 77 shots.
                        Cameras or guns, one of them is gonna shoot me to death.

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                        • pk500
                          All Star
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 8062

                          #13
                          Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

                          &gt;&gt;&gt;i have to say overall, even though it was due to the broken engine, that NHL 2003's offensive AI is WAY ahead of NHL 2k3's.&lt;&lt;&lt;

                          No offense, Erv, but it's a good thing I didn't have food in my mouth when I read the above statement. Otherwise, my laptop screen would have looked like a Jackson Pollack painting.

                          NHL 2003 has a better offensive AI than NHL 2K3? That's beyond comedy, man. 2K3 has a clearly more realistic and superior AI on both sides of the puck.

                          EA is almost as far beyond its competition in hockey as it is in soccer, where Konami's Winning Eleven series wipes the floor of FIFA.

                          Take care,
                          PK
                          Xbox Live: pk4425

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                          • chippered
                            MVP
                            • Aug 2002
                            • 1528

                            #14
                            Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

                            Overall, i like the game, but i just wish there were more 5 minute majors and fights. I know not everybody likes that kind of stuff, but there are sliders that are supposed to effect that. But no matter what i do, no fights. I watched a game the other night and saw a couple of fights, so i know its still in the game, so for me, this just isnt a complete simulation of what real hockey is. Does anybody know of any slider combinations I could work with to get more fights, or more realistic stats, penalty wise. When I sim, I get all kinds of majors, but nothing when I play.

                            As for the scoring, its all good for me.
                            GT = Chippered

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                            • Dick_Smalls
                              Pro
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 902

                              #15
                              Re: NHL 2K3...All is simply not HEAVEN...this game is getting frustrating...

                              guys I dont want to turn this post into another EA NHL vs Sega NHL post, that was not the intent of this post.....plus there is no question that 2K3 is the superior game. My point simply is to just say that I am not having a heaven of a time playing franchise mode as alot of you are and its bothering me because I really want to enjoy this game to it's fullest.....The gameplay and control engine is very comfortable and fun but I am just having a hard time having the CPU score alot of goals on me.

                              I dont need consistently high scoring but just some variation from game to game. Almost all my games are 1-0 and 2-1 affairs. The CPU does indeed take alot of shots and put the puck on target as well but the goalies, especially mine seems to have unrealistically high reflexes that I was hoping could be somehow fixed without having to edit each goalie in the entire league each and every season.

                              I have the goalie sliders at 0 and the Offensive sliders almost maxed out....Are there any other settings you guys can recommend that can help??

                              I play on All Star and have the speed set to 2 notches from the LEFT ( almost super slow.... for the added realism )
                              I also have set MY team's Forechecking AND Backchecking to 2-2-1 ( or whatever that is ) to increase a more aggressive thrusting push....I also have Aggressiveness at 3/4 FULL ( toward offense )

                              Im using an XBOX. When simulating games, I see my team invloved in 5-4, 6-3, 5-2 games, ect but when I PLAY the games, they always seem to be the same low scoring affairs I mentioned above. My team's RANK prior to games is OFFENSE 2nd DEFENSE 21st and POWERPLAY 4th so I know it's not my players.....

                              Any advice to get the CPU, and even myself to score more would be appreciated. And I'd also love to know if I am the only one having these problems

                              thx

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