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  • Psyblast
    2023 National Champions
    • Jun 2003
    • 42584

    #1591
    Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

    Originally posted by Money99
    I like Ericsson but I thought he would have taken a bigger leap forward at this point.
    Gotta hope this was just a sophomore slump. (More on him later)

    Kronwall has also disappointed me this offseason. He's taken too many dumb penalties, gives away the puck with fancy backhand-saucer passes and hasn't contributed enough offensively.
    Kronwall and Stuart are both intriguing. The type of work they put in rarely goes noticed because it's not flashy. They're just steady most of the time, and whenever they make a mistake it's obvious and they get lit up for it. But overall, both of them are positive forces. However...

    The defensive core doesn't need to be blown up, per-say. This is still the same defense that took us to the Cup in back-to-back seasons.
    In name only. This looks nothing like the defense that won the Cup in Pittsburgh 23 months ago, and they started to unravel last year, too. I don't know if it's just a case of Brad McCrimmon being the worst assistant coach in the history of the universe, or if, *gulp*, some sort of Pistons-like complacency has set in.

    I still believe fatigue had a factor in how this series has gone.
    Maybe. But they were making some boneheaded mistakes against the Coyotes, too. And fatigue isn't a factor in losing faceoffs, that's McLellan. The Wings were terrors in the circles two years ago with him as an assistant. He's the best in the business at that.

    It'd be nice to draft, or trade for, a top goalie who you know will steal a game or two consistently throughout their career.

    I have a suspicion the Wings brass believes McCollum will be that goalie.

    As for the defense, I'm very, very afraid of what the future holds. If Lidstrom doesn't retire after this series ends, he almost certainly will after next season. Rafalski's getting old too, and will probably be done after his contract runs out. Kronner and Stewie are steady #3 and #4 defensemen, but neither are top 2 material. So what happens when Lidstrom and Rafalski are done? Who fills the enormous gap at the top of the Wings blueline? Do they spend the money freed up when Lidstrom retires? What team is going to be stupid enough to let a #1 defenseman hit the free agent market? Do the Wings count on the light going on for Jonathan Ericsson? Do they bank on Kindl and Smith progressing and developing into the stars you expect first round picks to develop into?

    That's a lot of "hope" in a Western Conference filled with teams loaded up with offensive nuclei under 30. If the Wings aren't careful with their defensive transition as Lids and Raffy fade away, they will spend the foreseeable future behind Chicago, San Jose, Vancouver, and Phoenix/Los Angeles.
    Last edited by Psyblast; 05-05-2010, 07:45 AM.

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    • RealmK
      Banned
      • Sep 2003
      • 4198

      #1592
      Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

      If by showing heart and grit Hank, you mean diving at any and all contact then yes they finally showed some. Howard has to stop those soft ones though. And the forwards/D pairs need to play for 60 minutes, something Babs tried to preach all year long yet it never really happened. Though on the bright side perhaps an early exit will allow Wings players to actually get some rest, recharge, and have something left in the tank come playoff time next year.

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      • Money99
        Hall Of Fame
        • Sep 2002
        • 12696

        #1593
        Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

        Originally posted by RealmK
        If by showing heart and grit Hank, you mean diving at any and all contact then yes they finally showed some. Howard has to stop those soft ones though. And the forwards/D pairs need to play for 60 minutes, something Babs tried to preach all year long yet it never really happened. Though on the bright side perhaps an early exit will allow Wings players to actually get some rest, recharge, and have something left in the tank come playoff time next year.
        That's about the only solace I can take in from this loss.
        I hope all the players take a good 2-3 weeks in Hawaii and completely heal and rest.

        I know this is 48 hours too old already, but part of me still wonders if Illitch is happy with paying $700,000 a year for sticks. Seeing that Lidstrom's imploded at the end of game 2 leading to the Sharks GWG, I know I'd be screaming "WOOD!" from the press box.

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        • TSOLEliot
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          • Jun 2007
          • 965

          #1594
          Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

          Originally posted by Scottdau
          Well OT here we come. Should be a good OT too. I think this series is going to at 6 maybe 7. And I have a feeling all the games will be close.
          Try 4 games...

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          • slickdtc
            Grayscale
            • Aug 2004
            • 17125

            #1595
            Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

            A little late here but I haven't been on the forums...

            BOS/PHI series is tight just as expected. One win in OT for Boston, and one win with 3 minutes left for Boston in Game 2. Couldn't be much closer then that.

            Both games, felt the Flyers played well. Especially Game 2. Cut down on the stupid giveaways and were getting everything they could on net. Tough one on Boucher with the knucklepuck Lucic launched for the game winner.

            About the Carcillo/Begin thing: I hate when players go down, but that WAS a penalty on Begin. If it takes going down in a heap for the refs to actually call it, then that's fine. But I do agree that Carcillo is toe'ing a line. I was straight up shocked that I didn't hear anyone say anything about him going for Savard's throat in Game 1 after the whistle, and Game 2 the biting/fingers in the mouth incident. Savard deserved to get dumped for whacking at Bouch's glove, though. Carcillo seems to be doing a good job of staying out of the box. He's gotten some cheapshots in undetected.

            Like RealmK said, Boston's "other guys" have stepped up and scored. Philly's "other guys" have yet to do so. And I don't think it's totally their fault, we're playing well, they're playing well, and they've won the first two. The line is so fine here, a bounce here or there and it's 1-1 or even 2-0 in favor of Philadelphia. So I remain confident that the Flyers can come back from this. But it's tough because even if we win the next two, we're still just tied. Still 2 more games to win, with 2 of the 3 in Boston. We'll see what the tune is after tonight's game.

            I'm still waiting for JVR to finally notch one. I think it'll give him all the confidence in the world. In other news, I'm liking Jared Ross and Andreas Nodl. Solid checking guys who give a ton of effort every shift, and that's all you can ask of for such young inexperienced players. As for the team, keep doing what you're doing and things are going to start working out. The refs have been pretty good and pretty silent, so I hope they continue the trend of letting them play on ticky tacky stuff, but calling anything that's obvious.
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            Originally posted by Money99
            And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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            • Money99
              Hall Of Fame
              • Sep 2002
              • 12696

              #1596
              Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

              Originally posted by slickdtc
              A little late here but I haven't been on the forums...

              BOS/PHI series is tight just as expected. One win in OT for Boston, and one win with 3 minutes left for Boston in Game 2. Couldn't be much closer then that.

              Both games, felt the Flyers played well. Especially Game 2. Cut down on the stupid giveaways and were getting everything they could on net. Tough one on Boucher with the knucklepuck Lucic launched for the game winner.

              About the Carcillo/Begin thing: I hate when players go down, but that WAS a penalty on Begin. If it takes going down in a heap for the refs to actually call it, then that's fine. But I do agree that Carcillo is toe'ing a line. I was straight up shocked that I didn't hear anyone say anything about him going for Savard's throat in Game 1 after the whistle, and Game 2 the biting/fingers in the mouth incident. Savard deserved to get dumped for whacking at Bouch's glove, though. Carcillo seems to be doing a good job of staying out of the box. He's gotten some cheapshots in undetected.

              Like RealmK said, Boston's "other guys" have stepped up and scored. Philly's "other guys" have yet to do so. And I don't think it's totally their fault, we're playing well, they're playing well, and they've won the first two. The line is so fine here, a bounce here or there and it's 1-1 or even 2-0 in favor of Philadelphia. So I remain confident that the Flyers can come back from this. But it's tough because even if we win the next two, we're still just tied. Still 2 more games to win, with 2 of the 3 in Boston. We'll see what the tune is after tonight's game.

              I'm still waiting for JVR to finally notch one. I think it'll give him all the confidence in the world. In other news, I'm liking Jared Ross and Andreas Nodl. Solid checking guys who give a ton of effort every shift, and that's all you can ask of for such young inexperienced players. As for the team, keep doing what you're doing and things are going to start working out. The refs have been pretty good and pretty silent, so I hope they continue the trend of letting them play on ticky tacky stuff, but calling anything that's obvious.
              Good stuff slick, couldn't agree more.

              Despite the Wings down 3-Love, I've been entertained by the offensive prowess of both teams.
              Meanwhile, the Boston-Philly series is exactly what everyone anticipated. Just good 'ole trench-war hockey. But it's had it's share of offensive goodness too.

              All the semi-finals series have been great. And I don't think it's going to slow down any until the final game.

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              • DrJones
                All Star
                • Mar 2003
                • 9113

                #1597
                Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                Originally posted by Money99
                Still, I still can't help but think that we've never seen the Wings win a series they didn't deserve to where our goalie stole one.
                To be fair, it's rare that this happens with any good teams. I guess one could make this argument with Fleury. I don't recall Brodeur, for example, ever stealing a series. If the Devils are outplayed, they lose.

                Originally posted by Money99
                Howard played well in this series but he let in a stinker in each game. And last night was just the rotten icing on the cake.
                It'd be nice to draft, or trade for, a top goalie who you know will steal a game or two consistently throughout their career.
                How many goalies like that exist, though? Even the ones that are out there usually need time to develop. It's difficult on a team like Detroit that's expected to contend every year. Win the Cup or you're a bum. Virtually nobody starts their career as a top playoff goalie on a contender that's expected to win year in and year out. Give Howard time.

                Originally posted by Money99
                CBC's Elliot Freedman said that when Joe was traded from Boston, the Bruins braintrust didn't think he had it in him to lead a team to the Cup.
                And they were probably right. Still a terrible, terrible trade, though. Unless Thornton was an absolute cancer in the locker room (and there doesn't seem to be much evidence for that), you need to get some value in return, and Boston didn't.
                Originally posted by Thrash13
                Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                Originally posted by slickdtc
                DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                Originally posted by Kipnis22
                yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                • Money99
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2002
                  • 12696

                  #1598
                  Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                  Originally posted by DrJones
                  And they were probably right. Still a terrible, terrible trade, though. Unless Thornton was an absolute cancer in the locker room (and there doesn't seem to be much evidence for that), you need to get some value in return, and Boston didn't.
                  Couldn't agree more.
                  That trade also seemed to happen overnight - like O'Connell only negotiated with a couple of teams at midnight and then jumped on the best one.
                  The guy was a 26-year-old, 6'4", 100-point centerman. I still think they could have gotten so much more for him.
                  Ce la vie.

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                  • DrJones
                    All Star
                    • Mar 2003
                    • 9113

                    #1599
                    Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                    Originally posted by Money99
                    Good stuff slick, couldn't agree more.

                    Despite the Wings down 3-Love, I've been entertained by the offensive prowess of both teams.
                    Meanwhile, the Boston-Philly series is exactly what everyone anticipated. Just good 'ole trench-war hockey. But it's had it's share of offensive goodness too.

                    All the semi-finals series have been great. And I don't think it's going to slow down any until the final game.
                    Yeah, I think the one thing that everyone on the forums can agree about is that the entertainment quality of the playoffs so far has been excellent across the board. Plenty of goals, lots of physical play, almost all games are close, no leads are safe.
                    Originally posted by Thrash13
                    Dr. Jones was right in stating that. We should have believed him.
                    Originally posted by slickdtc
                    DrJones brings the stinky cheese is what we've all learned from this debacle.
                    Originally posted by Kipnis22
                    yes your fantasy world when your proven wrong about 95% of your post

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                    • BlueNGold
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 21817

                      #1600
                      Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                      Originally posted by DrJones
                      Yeah, I think the one thing that everyone on the forums can agree about is that the entertainment quality of the playoffs so far has been excellent across the board. Plenty of goals, lots of physical play, almost all games are close, no leads are safe.
                      The only thing that's missing is one of those marathon OT games. The closest was Pittsburgh/Ottawa which went to double OT but I'm holding out hope for a triple OT or more.
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                      • Money99
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2002
                        • 12696

                        #1601
                        Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                        Originally posted by BlueNGold
                        The only thing that's missing is one of those marathon OT games. The closest was Pittsburgh/Ottawa which went to double OT but I'm holding out hope for a triple OT or more.
                        No way! I can't stay up late like I used to, lol.

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                        • Fiddy
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                          #1602
                          Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                          Originally posted by BlueNGold
                          The only thing that's missing is one of those marathon OT games. The closest was Pittsburgh/Ottawa which went to double OT but I'm holding out hope for a triple OT or more.
                          the pens and sens game did go to 3 ot's...
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                          • RealmK
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                            • Sep 2003
                            • 4198

                            #1603
                            Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                            Originally posted by slickdtc
                            A little late here but I haven't been on the forums...

                            BOS/PHI series is tight just as expected. One win in OT for Boston, and one win with 3 minutes left for Boston in Game 2. Couldn't be much closer then that.

                            Both games, felt the Flyers played well. Especially Game 2. Cut down on the stupid giveaways and were getting everything they could on net. Tough one on Boucher with the knucklepuck Lucic launched for the game winner.

                            About the Carcillo/Begin thing: I hate when players go down, but that WAS a penalty on Begin. If it takes going down in a heap for the refs to actually call it, then that's fine. But I do agree that Carcillo is toe'ing a line. I was straight up shocked that I didn't hear anyone say anything about him going for Savard's throat in Game 1 after the whistle, and Game 2 the biting/fingers in the mouth incident. Savard deserved to get dumped for whacking at Bouch's glove, though. Carcillo seems to be doing a good job of staying out of the box. He's gotten some cheapshots in undetected.

                            Like RealmK said, Boston's "other guys" have stepped up and scored. Philly's "other guys" have yet to do so. And I don't think it's totally their fault, we're playing well, they're playing well, and they've won the first two. The line is so fine here, a bounce here or there and it's 1-1 or even 2-0 in favor of Philadelphia. So I remain confident that the Flyers can come back from this. But it's tough because even if we win the next two, we're still just tied. Still 2 more games to win, with 2 of the 3 in Boston. We'll see what the tune is after tonight's game.

                            I'm still waiting for JVR to finally notch one. I think it'll give him all the confidence in the world. In other news, I'm liking Jared Ross and Andreas Nodl. Solid checking guys who give a ton of effort every shift, and that's all you can ask of for such young inexperienced players. As for the team, keep doing what you're doing and things are going to start working out. The refs have been pretty good and pretty silent, so I hope they continue the trend of letting them play on ticky tacky stuff, but calling anything that's obvious.
                            Great post slick, I agree, for the record, it was a penalty on Begin either way, still the flop to the ice like being shot from a cannon is just unneeded but hey thats Daniel Carcillo for you, he esentially is the hockey goon's goon.

                            It has been a great series so far and both Boston and Philly are two pretty closely matched teams. Hoping the B's can steal at least one at the Wachovia Center. Though either way I didn't expect Boston to get as far as they did with how much they struggled during the regular season so for me this season's gone beyond my expectations already.

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                            • Piderman
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 1953

                              #1604
                              Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                              Originally posted by Fiddy
                              the pens and sens game did go to 3 ot's...
                              For some reason everyone thought it went to double OT when Carkner scored. Ironically I only tuned in for the 3rd because I was so cheesed off at the sens the game before. Then they chocked the chicken in OT next game...good times.

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                              • Scottdau
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2003
                                • 32580

                                #1605
                                Re: 2010 Stanley Cup Playoffs Thread

                                Damn the Bruins with a very good goal there. Just when the Flyers had that momentum they gave it right back. This will be a good game again.

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