The Official NHL 2012 Off-Season Thread

[Kobalt]

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Teemu Selanne will be back for another season with the Ducks.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=398717

Seems like they're putting Bobby Ryan on the market as well.

Hearing ANA's Bobby Ryan is "available" again after being taken off trade market after Randy Carlyle's Duck departure.

Go get him Burke!

[Kobalt]

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Erik Karlsson got 7 year extension, 6.5M cap hit.

[AC]

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Erik Karlsson got 7 year extension, 6.5M cap hit.

Ouch, that's a very risky deal. Even if he ends up putting up 60 points a year for the next few years, he'll be paid decently, it isn't a bargain either way.

[OSUFan_88]

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Apparently the Flyers are pushing to get Nash. Which is fine by me, maybe we can get retribution for the Carter deal. JVR, Couturier and a 1st, please.

[AC]

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Apparently the Flyers are pushing to get Nash. Which is fine by me, maybe we can get retribution for the Carter deal. JVR, Couturier and a 1st, please.

Going on the assumption that you're a Blue Jackets fan....

Really? That's all you're asking for? In comparison to what your moronic GM turned down from NY, that seems like nothing.

All I can say is; Thank god Burkie's staying away from this. I've always liked him, and I guess this is rewarding me for sticking by him.

[Kobalt]

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Ouch, that's a very risky deal. Even if he ends up putting up 60 points a year for the next few years, he'll be paid decently, it isn't a bargain either way.

If he puts up 60 points a year, I think it's still good. No one other than Karlsson put up 60+ points this past year, next highest was Brian Campbell and Byfuglien at 53 (no wonder Blackhawks PP sucked )

Apparently the Flyers are pushing to get Nash. Which is fine by me, maybe we can get retribution for the Carter deal. JVR, Couturier and a 1st, please.

Trade away a floater, and get a floater back Although I think Couturier can be really good, wouldn't CBJ want guys that has more of a track record back? I also think NYR can put a better package than that.

[OSUFan_88]

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If the Rangers can beat that package, fine by me. I'm just saying, that's what I'd like to get back.

[AC]

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If he puts up 60 points a year, I think it's still good. No one other than Karlsson put up 60+ points this past year, next highest was Brian Campbell and Byfuglien at 53 (no wonder Blackhawks PP sucked )

It would be good, but 6.5 is a lot...

[BunnyHardaway]

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Apparently the Flyers are pushing to get Nash. Which is fine by me, maybe we can get retribution for the Carter deal. JVR, Couturier and a 1st, please.

If that deal goes through I think I'd stop watching. Trading Couturier, especially for an overrated and overpaid 55-60 point forward, would be the dumbest thing this franchise has done since letting Hextall leave the first time. He shut down Evgeni Malkin that whole series and he's 19 freaking years old. He's going to be a star.

If any GM asks for Giroux or Couturier, Holmgren needs to hang up immediately.

[OSUFan_88]

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If that deal goes through I think I'd stop watching. Trading Couturier, especially for an overrated and overpaid 55-60 point forward, would be the dumbest thing this franchise has done since letting Hextall leave the first time. He shut down Evgeni Malkin that whole series and he's 19 freaking years old. He's going to be a star.

If any GM asks for Giroux or Couturier, Holmgren needs to hang up immediately.

55-60 point forward?

First of all, getting 59 points, his lowest point total in years, on that team last year is nothing short of a miracle. Just curious, but could you name his linemates for most of the year?

Spoiler

If you answered Vinny Prospal and Derek MacKenzie, you'd be correct.

In any case, Nash is still a star. He needs a #1 center to be the true superstar that he is. Let's also not forget that Nash is a great penalty killer, while not being used because <del>Arniel was a moron</del> he never got his chance the past few years.

But I wouldn't expect to get SC. Schenn, maybe, but not SC.

[AC]

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55-60 point forward?

First of all, getting 59 points, his lowest point total in years, on that team last year is nothing short of a miracle. Just curious, but could you name his linemates for most of the year?

Spoiler

If you answered Vinny Prospal and Derek MacKenzie, you'd be correct.

In any case, Nash is still a star. He needs a #1 center to be the true superstar that he is. Let's also not forget that Nash is a great penalty killer, while not being used because <del>Arniel was a moron</del> he never got his chance the past few years.

But I wouldn't expect to get SC. Schenn, maybe, but not SC.

Real stars can produce more than 59 freaking points without having to have a #1 center. Phil Kessel can produce significantly better with Tyler Bozak as his center. If Nash is such a star, then he should be able to out produce Kessel.

[DrJones]

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Ouch, that's a very risky deal. Even if he ends up putting up 60 points a year for the next few years, he'll be paid decently, it isn't a bargain either way.

Very risky? As opposed to Phaneuf? Bouwmeester? Wisniewski? Markov? Ehrhoff? Komisarek?

[Money99]

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Real stars can produce more than 59 freaking points without having to have a #1 center. Phil Kessel can produce significantly better with Tyler Bozak as his center. If Nash is such a star, then he should be able to out produce Kessel.

The difference between the two, though, is that Kessel plays in the Eastern Conference, and more specifically the Northeast Division - arguably the weakest and most offensive minded division in all of hockey.
He's also got a bit more offensive support around him, plays for a team with an offensive style and up till mid season only had 1 leafs coach to play for.

Nash has to play a large chunk of his games against Detroit, Nashville, StLouis and Chicago - not exactly a bunch of teams that love to give up goals on a regular basis.

I also think Nash's heart hasn't been 100% into that team. Not the way it's been run.
How many top picks have they had and yet none of them have panned out?

The NHL is a funny league. If you're not picking in the top 2 or 3 positions, you might as well pick in the bottom 3.

Can you imagine of the Jackets lottery luck was better and they ended up with a combo of Crosby, Malkin and Staal? Or Toews and Kane?
If so, we're not talking about Nash leaving town or putting up paltry points.
We're talking about Columbus fighting for, or even winning Cups and the Penguins being excited about opening up the new facilities in Kansas City.

[AC]

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Very risky? As opposed to Phaneuf? Bouwmeester? Wisniewski? Markov? Ehrhoff? Komisarek?

Yes, risky, in case he's a one season wonder.... Komi's contract sucks.... Erhoff's deal is only 4M per the next however many years, which is good... Markov's is good when healthy... Wisniewski's was a head scratcher.... Bouwmeester seemed good at the time..... Phaneuf put up 40 points this year and only has 2 years left.

[AC]

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The difference between the two, though, is that Kessel plays in the Eastern Conference, and more specifically the Northeast Division - arguably the weakest and most offensive minded division in all of hockey.
He's also got a bit more offensive support around him, plays for a team with an offensive style and up till mid season only had 1 leafs coach to play for.

Nash has to play a large chunk of his games against Detroit, Nashville, StLouis and Chicago - not exactly a bunch of teams that love to give up goals on a regular basis.

I also think Nash's heart hasn't been 100% into that team. Not the way it's been run.
How many top picks have they had and yet none of them have panned out?

The NHL is a funny league. If you're not picking in the top 2 or 3 positions, you might as well pick in the bottom 3.

Can you imagine of the Jackets lottery luck was better and they ended up with a combo of Crosby, Malkin and Staal? Or Toews and Kane?
If so, we're not talking about Nash leaving town or putting up paltry points.
We're talking about Columbus fighting for, or even winning Cups and the Penguins being excited about opening up the new facilities in Kansas City.

Agreed, but Kessel isn't a 'star' like Nash supposedly is. Put Crosby in any division, he'll still dominate. That's a star.