NHL Off-Topic thread

[slickdtc]

NHL Off-Topic thread

So teams like Washington and Pittsburgh should play for the shootout and not try and win in 3-on-3? What?

http://www.tsn.ca/playing-for-the-sh...teams-1.369900

This is the **** that led us to 3v3's and SO's in the first place. Conservative coaching masked as "personnel strategy."

Shut up. You play defensive because you can still get away with mugging players regularly. Hopefully the open ice of 3v3 doesn't allow the jamming and clogging that so many teams rely on.

What they should do is scrap the SO and make OT continuous in a 3v3 or 4v4 fashion (ties aren't coming back, sorry). Let's see how many coaches sit back defensively, waiting for the other team to screw up, when their players know they've got a game tomorrow and want to get off the ice now.

5 minutes probably still isn't long enough for OT. Should've made it 10. Long enough to expect a result but not too long that the game is being dragged on. The NHL has the shortest game times in North American major pro sports already and I doubt another 5 minutes will change that.

And that ****ing loser point. It's called a LOSER point. Come on... get rid of it already! Rewarding teams for losing. Ha ha, the NHL summed up.

[Madman55]

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This is the **** that led us to 3v3's and SO's in the first place. Conservative coaching masked as "personnel strategy."

Shut up. You play defensive because you can still get away with mugging players regularly. Hopefully the open ice of 3v3 doesn't allow the jamming and clogging that so many teams rely on.

What they should do is scrap the SO and make OT continuous in a 3v3 or 4v4 fashion (ties aren't coming back, sorry). Let's see how many coaches sit back defensively, waiting for the other team to screw up, when their players know they've got a game tomorrow and want to get off the ice now.

5 minutes probably still isn't long enough for OT. Should've made it 10. Long enough to expect a result but not too long that the game is being dragged on. The NHL has the shortest game times in North American major pro sports already and I doubt another 5 minutes will change that.

And that ****ing loser point. It's called a LOSER point. Come on... get rid of it already! Rewarding teams for losing. Ha ha, the NHL summed up.

Re: The bold. I think its way more likely that ties come back over continuous OT in the regular season, but neither one is happening anytime soon. They'll keep the loser point as long as possible.

[slickdtc]

NHL Off-Topic thread

It'll be a fight to get the PA to sign off on it [cont. OT] but the players need the money more then the owners. So we'll get ourselves another nice, long lockout until they agree or FACE TERMINATION.

Extending to 10 minutes might fly without the threat of closing down the workplace. I'd settle.

Once they got rid of ties they were never coming back. See how they didn't bring them back when talk of the SO being a gimmick got loud? The next move will be for extended time, then continuous if it gets there.

Still misses the point of needing to expand the nets and actually call penalties that exist, but I don't want to put too much pressure on the NHL. We know they're incompetent at best. Small tasks first. Lol

[DrJones]

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Continuous OT in the regular season will never happen. There are injury/fatigue concerns, TV concerns, travel concerns. A few fans aside, nobody within the NHL community (owners, management, players, sponsors, media) wants this. It's a non-issue.

[redsox4evur]

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I think the best way to do it is to do it like how I thought they were. 5 mins of 4 v 4 if no goals then 3 v 3 for 5 mins then the SO. That's 10 minutes of extra hockey and the 3 v 3 would be more prone to goal scoring than it is now. Because guys would have an extra 5 minutes of "wear and tear" on their body.

[Majingir]

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Or just 4 on 4,then a tie,no loser point. 2 points regardless of the outcome,will be handed out.

Unfortunately NHL is stuck in its current ways the people at the top are determined to have things in the league a certain way, from keeping teams in specific markets regardless of how much money they lose,to having the goalie trapezoid, to handing out "participation/loser points" for OT losers.

[Money99]

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This is the **** that led us to 3v3's and SO's in the first place. Conservative coaching masked as "personnel strategy."

Shut up. You play defensive because you can still get away with mugging players regularly. Hopefully the open ice of 3v3 doesn't allow the jamming and clogging that so many teams rely on.

What they should do is scrap the SO and make OT continuous in a 3v3 or 4v4 fashion (ties aren't coming back, sorry). Let's see how many coaches sit back defensively, waiting for the other team to screw up, when their players know they've got a game tomorrow and want to get off the ice now.

5 minutes probably still isn't long enough for OT. Should've made it 10. Long enough to expect a result but not too long that the game is being dragged on. The NHL has the shortest game times in North American major pro sports already and I doubt another 5 minutes will change that.

And that ****ing loser point. It's called a LOSER point. Come on... get rid of it already! Rewarding teams for losing. Ha ha, the NHL summed up.

YES, YES and more YES!
I would absolutely love to get rid of any ties or loser points at all. Just play till there's a winner.
Like you said, I'd love to see coaches still go for a conservative method in OT knowing they have 2 more games to play in the next 3 days.
The PA would never go for this because of the amount of games they already play.
This is why I'd have no problems going from 82 to 70 games.
The owners have said they'd be happy to reduce the schedule but the PA won't take the subsequent paycut.
I think common ground can be found in the way of escrow and slowly cutting down on players salaries until revenues catch-up and things even out over a 5-year period.

However, even if both sides agreed to that, I'm afraid the 3-point game will never die.
Bettman needs it to create false parity so teams believe they're still in the running even though they have no shot.
I had read an interesting article on the subject showing how hard it was to gain 5 points on a playoff spot with up to 15 game left in the season.
With so many games handing out a LOSER point, it was extremely tough to make up 2.5 games in a months worth of games.

[Majingir]

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Or just abandon the point system and go to W/L records instead.

Prob with continuous OT is tv networks. Game going past scheduled time,so they have to delay next show airing. And of course,players getting tired more.

Though i dont get how networks won't like continuous ot. Ratings end up higher due to people watching ot till its done. Overruns are most watched part of almost any broadcast.

[slickdtc]

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Or just abandon the point system and go to W/L records instead.



Prob with continuous OT is tv networks. Game going past scheduled time,so they have to delay next show airing. And of course,players getting tired more.



Though i dont get how networks won't like continuous ot. Ratings end up higher due to people watching ot till its done. Overruns are most watched part of almost any broadcast.

They adjust for MLB extra inning games, why not for NHL?

[redsox4evur]

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They adjust for MLB extra inning games, why not for NHL?

As well as NBA, NFL, NCAA, etc. overtime games.

[TheMatrix31]

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I think the NHL wants the gimmick. Whether it's a shootout or a loser point or a 3 on 3 to create excitement on the ice.

It's all about the gimmick rather than what works. Which is fine. They're in it to make the most cash. I presume though, that nothing works quite like awesome play that's organic and natural. No substitute for that.

[DrJones]

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They adjust for MLB extra inning games, why not for NHL?

As well as NBA, NFL, NCAA, etc. overtime games.

Two things:

1. All of those other sports have much, much larger TV deals than the NHL.

2. % of games per league that require OT/extra innings (average per regular season):

NBA: 5-7%
NFL: 6-8%
MLB: 12-14%
NHL: 23-25%

[Majingir]

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Not just that,but NFL games almost always go past the 3 hour scheduled limit. Anyone who watches primetime shows on CBS or FOX on Sundays knows all about it. Shows delayed on weekly basis basically cause one or both games they air, go past the scheduled 3 hour limit.

But just seems like NHL is afraid to do things that'd make the game longer,even though most games don't go past the scheduled 3 hour timeframe.

Don't know exact numbers, but I'd think average game takes around 2.5hrs to play. So you got like 20 minutes right there to play OT and keep gametime under 3hrs with OT games. Just don't have OT intermission. Have clean scrape,no zamboni,and play OT right afterwards till someone scores. Or at very least,10 mins of 4 on 4 OT and then a tie if nothing happens.

[DrJones]

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I think the NHL wants the gimmick. Whether it's a shootout or a loser point or a 3 on 3 to create excitement on the ice.

It's all about the gimmick rather than what works. Which is fine. They're in it to make the most cash. I presume though, that nothing works quite like awesome play that's organic and natural. No substitute for that.

There is an organic way to settle regular season games without continuous OT or the return of ties, a simple method that would encourage teams to score in regulation and OT by punishing those that don't.

Yes, I'm beating this drum once again.

Regulation win = 2 points
OT (5 min of 4-on-4) win = 2 points
Shootout win = 1 point
Loss (of any variety) = 0 points

No loser points. No ties. No continuous OT or 3-on-3 necessary. A bare minimum of shootouts, as the winner will only get a single point while the loser still gets nothing. Teams that play cautiously will fall behind in the standings to those who go for broke, thus a lot more goals will be scored in "natural" fashion.

Now, will this ever happen? Probably not. I think the players would sign off on this, but the GMs and coaches love Love LOVE the loser point because it artificially pumps up team point totals.

Hockey fans and media have been trained to think that a 100-point team is a contender and a .500 team is average. They used to be, but they're not. Some Avalanche shill will probably claim, "Hey the Avs weren't so bad last year! They still got 90 points in a tough division! They were 8 games over .500!" Under my points system, shootout wins are worth only 1 point and OT/SO losses are worth bupkis, so Colorado goes from a record of 39-31-12 (90 points) to 29-41-10 (68 points). Even though the Avs scored and allowed the same number of goals, my points system makes them look worse because they're no longer getting freebie points. Now Sakic and Roy are on the hotseat.

This is why the loser point will forever endure: it provides job security for mediocre team executives, and those same executives are the ones who get to make the rules.

[Money99]

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As well as NBA, NFL, NCAA, etc. overtime games.

I've heard Bettman said that they are loathe to exceed the 2.5 hour mark for games.
What drives me nuts is that very rarely do games even begin on time.
When's the last time the puck actually dropped at 7:30?
In most cases, it's closer to 7:41 or 7:45.
Also, and maybe I'm showing my age/ignorance, but when did intermissions become 20 min long?

During an ex-game, I saw a player being interviewed after a period and there was a digital clock counting down overtop the dressing room entrance. It was at 16min and counting.

I know they in crease the intermission breaks to 20 min, or more, during the playoffs, but why in the regular season.

Take those extra 25 min and allow for an extended OT session.

I'd love to a concise winner each game, but if they don't, Dr.Jones point scheme is what they should adopt.
I highly doubt teams who don't have TJ Oshie on their roster would want to take their chances in the SO 25% of the time.