NHL 2021 Offseason

[Majingir]

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Another strong move from the Coyotes; they are certainly getting the first part of this rebuild correct.

Just in time for a new city to take over the team?[emoji57]

[Money99]

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Sharks writer claims that even if Kane is exonerated from his wife's gambling claims, many 'core players' want him gone.
Apparently he broke team rules often and he wasn't well liked in the dressing room.

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[Majingir]

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Sharks writer claims that even if Kane is exonerated from his wife's gambling claims, many 'core players' want him gone.
Apparently he broke team rules often and he wasn't well liked in the dressing room.

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I wonder if Montreal or Carolina would want him, no reason....

[Money99]

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I wonder if Montreal or Carolina would want him, no reason....

I heard both are looking to add Sean Avery to their coaching staff. [emoji12]

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[Majingir]

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I heard both are looking to add Sean Avery to their coaching staff. [emoji12]

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Theo Fleury would work too...

[Majingir]

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Coyotes hire John Ferguson Jr as their assistant GM.

One of the worst GMs the Leafs ever had. He set the franchise back over a decade by doing that ridiculous Rask for Raycroft deal. Got fired a few years later, and eventually ended up in, you guessed it, Boston!

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I could go into more detail, but looking at trades, FA/extensions, drafting and coaches, I don't think JFJ was that bad of a GM. Toskala and Rask trades were utter failures, but he was a good drafter, solid in FA/extensions and Paul Maurice is still a NHL coach. The Fletcher/Burke/Nonis hydra had many more bad moves than JFJ did. However, the way JFJ handled the firing of Pat Quinn and the whole Muskoka 5 saga was a complete disaster. This leaves us with an otherwise unremarkable GM by normal metrics holding this giant bag of poop.

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I could go into more detail, but looking at trades, FA/extensions, drafting and coaches, I don't think JFJ was that bad of a GM. Toskala and Rask trades were utter failures, but he was a good drafter, solid in FA/extensions and Paul Maurice is still a NHL coach. The Fletcher/Burke/Nonis hydra had many more bad moves than JFJ did. However, the way JFJ handled the firing of Pat Quinn and the whole Muskoka 5 saga was a complete disaster. This leaves us with an otherwise unremarkable GM by normal metrics holding this giant bag of poop.

The Rask trade set off a series of horrible moves.

You deal away a top goalie prospect who was the 2nd best goalie in the draft next to Carey Price, all for a guy who had 1 good season and then completely fell off after. That's inexcusable.

And literally a year after dealing your top goalie prospect for a one hit wonder, you trade a first round pick and a 2nd for another goalie to cover up that prior years mistake.

2006 was really the only good draft they had under him. 04,05,07 had a total of 3 players who played more than 50 games for the franchise.

Between the Leafs and Raptors, late 04 until around 2010 was such a horrible time, especially management wise. Took the first half of the 2010s to try and fix all of it, and 2nd half to build back a proper franchise/culture again. Sure, Leafs still haven't won anything, but I'd take losing in the 1st round year after year (after year after year after year after year) over what we saw in the late 00s/early 10s.

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Honestly I don't think any of the fixing really happened until 2015 when the Shanaplan begun. Fletcher/Burke/Nonis left a lot of garbage in their wake that had to be cleaned up. JFJ didn't exactly leave the pantry stocked, but there wasn't any mess that needed to be cleaned up.

No doubt the current FO structures of all three Toronto teams are the best they've been since the nineties.

[Majingir]

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Talk about coming full circle. Chara to the Islanders.


Which is a perfect time to remember the last time he was an Islander. They traded him AND a 1st for Yashin. I mean sure, Yashin was a 40-40 guy with the Sens and never got 40 goals once in NY, but like the Kessel deal, how did it make sense for a bottom feeding team to deal a 1st (especially since this was after the fact, so Islanders knew it was the #2 pick) for Yashin?

Honestly I don't think any of the fixing really happened until 2015 when the Shanaplan begun. Fletcher/Burke/Nonis left a lot of garbage in their wake that had to be cleaned up. JFJ didn't exactly leave the pantry stocked, but there wasn't any mess that needed to be cleaned up.



No doubt the current FO structures of all three Toronto teams are the best they've been since the nineties.

Team might not have been great, but I liked the Kessel/Phaneuf era more than others probably did. Team still sucked, but they at least had some guys to build around. Kessel deal never should have happened though. Nothing wrong with the kind of deal made, but the fact that you're a bottom feeding team dealing an unprotected 1st as part of the deal made no sense. The same package but from a 9 seed, that would be perfectly fine as Kessel would've tipped the scales and made them a playoff team.

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I think Burke honestly thought the team was a bubble team, which is why he made the deal. Two mid 1sts for an early 20s Kessel is much more reasonable. Unfortunately, most of his FA signings and trades were busts that offseason.

Yeah and that #2 ended up being Jason Spezza.

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I think Burke honestly thought the team was a bubble team, which is why he made the deal. Two mid 1sts for an early 20s Kessel is much more reasonable. Unfortunately, most of his FA signings and trades were busts that offseason.

Yeah and that #2 ended up being Jason Spezza.

Burke also had a major boner for American players.
Remember Mike Komisarek?
Or how about Tyler Biggs?
They traded what turned out to be Josh Gibson and Rickard Rakell for Biggs.

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I think Burke honestly thought the team was a bubble team, which is why he made the deal. Two mid 1sts for an early 20s Kessel is much more reasonable. Unfortunately, most of his FA signings and trades were busts that offseason.



Yeah and that #2 ended up being Jason Spezza.

Don't forget about truculence. Team had more guys like that over skill guys, and skill is what they needed more of.

Although nowadays, Leafs have way more skill than they do physical presence, and the physicality is what they need more of so...

[Money99]

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Detroit top prospect Lucas Raymond appears to be doing well in the rookie tournament. Scored two goals in last nights loss and one the previous game.
Getting rave reviews thus far.
I think the plan is for him to start the season in Grand Rapids then be a top-6 forward for 22-23.

Listened to a Staff and Graph podcast recently and they were comparing the development process between Carolina and Montreal.
The Canadiens are a mess.
They rush players too often while Carolina lets them marinate at the right pace.
Yzerman and the Wings seem to do things the right way as well.
They won't be a contender for a couple more seasons, but the future looks good.

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Teams starting to unofficially suspend players who don't get vaccinated.

Jackets have sent down Rinaldo after he refused to get vaccinated. Although it makes no sense that he's allowed playing in the AHL...

Islanders announced that nobody will be allowed on their team unless they're vaccinated, and one minor leaguer isn't, and will be moved if he doesn't get it.

I expect others to follow suit. I'd imagine/hope Canadian teams do it as well since they need to do everything they can not just for the health/safety of everyone, but to give the governments a good reason to allow more fans at games.


Edit-

Nylander hasn't gotten his, but said he will before the season starts.

Bertuzzi won't get his, won't be playing any games in Canada, but the Wings will be keeping him on the team...