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  • Badgun
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 2638

    #1

    TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

    Well I have both the pc and Xbox version, but have been playing more of the Xbox version of late and I've noticed a few things that are almost game killers for me.

    First of all in the Tiger Challenges, there is obvious CPU cheating. I played one match against Steve Stricker in which he went double eagle, hole in one, eagle in three holes. That's 7 under for 3 holes. That just don't happen. So now because of stuff like this, I'm shooting 10-12 under and losing challenges, which is unbelievable. One challenge I birdied every hole on the front nine and was 2 down. It's a shame that that's how EA made the upper end of the game so difficult that you literally cannot miss a shot and win.

    The other thing that really bothers me is the number of shots the CPU player will hit short of the green and the ball will bounce up on the green right beside the hole. Out of 100 CPU shots that I've seen land short of the green, only about 2 or 3 stopped, the rest jumped forward onto the green close to the hole. As someone who has played golf his entire life, I can honestly say that doesn't happen. If I hit a 9 iron to a green and it lands 10 yards short of the green, I'm going to be chipping. Not so in TW 2003. I've seen the pros hit high lofted 8,9, and wedges that land short and hop up on the green like they had eyes. This is just not going to happen with the natural backspin most pros put on the ball. I guess I wouldn't bitch about this if I recieved the same benefit, but I don't. Every shot that I've hit short of the green sticks right where it hits even if I am tapping the black button and applying forward spin.

    Anyone that's spent anytime with this game knows that it's tough to guage how far you are going to hit it, so a lucky bounce every now and then wouldn't hurt. I'm tired of hitting the ball right at the pin with a good shot and making it stop within 10 feet of the hole only to have Mark O'Meara land the ball 10 feet short of the green with a nine iron and his ball gets inside mine. For those of you that don't play real golf this might not even phase you, but I've been around golf long enough to know that you just don't get these kinds of bounces, let alone every time. It's just a shame that the CPU cheats like this to beat you or stay close, but I guess without it, I would have unlocked everything the first day. Still, I'd rather see the developers make the game harder for me to score than to let the CPU blatently cheat like it does. Reminds me of the old days playing Madden when you were up by 4 with 45 seconds to go and the CPU has the ball. You know what's going to happen and there's nothing you can do about it. Anyway, just wanted to vent...the game is still fun to play, but the CPU cheating is really trying my patience.
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  • toychri
    MVP
    • Jul 2002
    • 1018

    #2
    Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

    Maybe the CPU is switching to the 'punch shot' and letting the ball run with the short approaches?

    I do that with my 8 iron all the time.

    Question is, how close is the CPU when they do this?

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    • Goaty
      Rookie
      • Aug 2002
      • 364

      #3
      Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

      You have made it a mission to enter every thread that discusses TW xbox to point out how "arcade" it is and how it is not realistic. And you are correct.

      But why are you surprised that a game you have constantly ripped for not being a sim turns out to have un-realistic elements?

      I have made back-to-back eagles and made hole in ones. I have seen the CPU golfer bounce the ball off the sand-trap lip and roll the ball straight toward the pin. I have watched my blonde female golfer consistently out-drive male PGA pros.

      You have been right all long that TW xbox is not a sim, so why are you so surprised that an arcade game has catch-up logic?

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      • Badgun
        MVP
        • Jul 2002
        • 2638

        #4
        Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

        </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
        Maybe the CPU is switching to the 'punch shot' and letting the ball run with the short approaches?

        I do that with my 8 iron all the time.

        Question is, how close is the CPU when they do this?




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        Full shot, usually 120-190 yards out. You normally don't hit a punch shot to a green that is above you because chances are the ball won't make it.
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        • Badgun
          MVP
          • Jul 2002
          • 2638

          #5
          Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

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          You have been right all long that TW xbox is not a sim, so why are you so surprised that an arcade game has catch-up logic?


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          I don't mind catch up logic, but obvious cheating is another story. Double eagle, hole in one, eagle? That's not catch up logic in my book.
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          • Lorax
            Rookie
            • Nov 2002
            • 80

            #6
            Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

            I wouldnt call it cheating - BUT it is SCRIPTED....I bet I can tell you the holes Stricker did this....#8, #9, #10.....Well, thats because Stricker will EVERYTIME on #4, #9, #10, #18 have the hearbeat thing and stick it close or sink it.....

            I have run into this when having to redo challenges....What I have discovered is this....On certain holes in any given challenge - you will ALWAYS beat the CPU golfer - on certain holes you will likely NEVER beat the CPU golfer...The key is to find the "swing" holes and make them go your way.....unfortunately in the harder challenges it takes a second or third try to complete them....

            Have you play Ace Andrews yet? If Stricker drives you nuts and believe me, he drove me nuts - Ace will even make you throw the controller.....

            Another thing - Cant beat em, join em.....They are using the punch shot....On #9 Highlands against Stricker I couldnt figure out the yardage for a full shot - I hit a punch 5 wood like Stricker - Guess what? Heartbeat thing - within 3 ft.....

            Its not so much so much cheating AI as it is certain holes are requiring certain shots....Same on #10....since its uphill a full shot wont hold (real physics say backspin doesnt take -0 they come in hard)....punch shots are rewarded.,....If they are beating you with a certain shot - usually repeating it yourself will result in the very same results as the CPU golfer...

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            • caseyd
              D*d y** g*t th* m*m*?
              • Jul 2002
              • 2367

              #7
              Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

              And that's my question--if everyone knows that the game is scripted, why are you even buying it? Just knowing that I'm not really in control makes me shy away from the game. With Hot Shots, at least it's dependant on when I click and where I aim. Nothing feels scripted. On my PC golf games, I know that if I don't take the mouse back straight or do it at an even flow, I'm going to screw the shot up. That, to me, is fun.
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              • Skyboxer
                Donny Baseball!
                • Jul 2002
                • 20302

                #8
                Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

                Looks like it will most certainly be Hot Shots Golf 3 for me then. I don't mind a little arcade stuff but it sounds like TW is pretty far into arcade.
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                • Badgun
                  MVP
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 2638

                  #9
                  Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

                  Anyone checked out the world rankings? The #1 guy has hit a 447 yard drive and his best round is...get this....18.

                  How do you score 18 on any course in the game?
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                  • Badgun
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 2638

                    #10
                    Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

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                    Have you play Ace Andrews yet? If Stricker drives you nuts and believe me, he drove me nuts - Ace will even make you throw the controller.....


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                    Funny thing, I beat Ace Andrews 7 and 6 the third time I played him. For some odd reason he missed a bunch of short putts, but hey, I'll take it.
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                    • Skyboxer
                      Donny Baseball!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 20302

                      #11
                      Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

                      Is there a create a player? And can 2 created plaers play each other in the different modes? Thanks,
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                      • Badgun
                        MVP
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 2638

                        #12
                        Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

                        Well, there are a limited number of player models to choose from, but yes, you really have to create a profile with your name on it to participate in the challenges. Along with the profile, you pick a player model and are allowed to spend money to raise your player's attributes. They are distance, accuracy, approach, putting, luck, and so forth. But there is no real create a player like in a football game or soemthing. I think you can change the shirt color and shoes, but nothing real detailed.

                        As for your second question, I don't know, but I do know you can play 2 player so I am assuming that you can play two profiles agains one another.
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                        • Lorax
                          Rookie
                          • Nov 2002
                          • 80

                          #13
                          Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

                          Whoa, Whoa.....scripted might be too strong a word.....and even then it ONLY applies to the CPU.....there is nothing stopping you from doing well....you are in control of the match - you HAVE to produce....its just later in the challenges - forget about the CPU golfers screwing up....

                          Also, as in real life - some shots fall in the sweet spot of your opponent.....This is accurate....In my league there are some holes I know a certain opponent will excel at and I have to do better....There are some holes I suck at on the course, some I always do well.....some my partners does well, some he isnt so good at.....this is accurate of golf itself.....

                          After playing for a few times, you get to know which holes the CPU golfer has those "sweet spots"......at the same time - you can pick up your practice and beat them on those holes....And as someone stated - putting isnt a given for the CPU golfers - they miss.....and they dont really bomb long putts either.....you can.....On any given hole they can screw up - so its not entirely scrpited....

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                          • Skyboxer
                            Donny Baseball!
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 20302

                            #14
                            Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

                            </font><blockquote><font class="small">In reply to:</font><hr />
                            its just later in the challenges - forget about the CPU golfers screwing up....


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                            If they never screw up then thier performance is scripted. Which sort of sucks IMO. I want a good challenging golf game that plays and looks as real as it can including CPU pars/bogeys thrown in. Also I have seen lots of posts about multiple eagles,chip ins etc... Exactly how often does this occur?

                            Thanks for the info,
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                            • Badgun
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                              • Jul 2002
                              • 2638

                              #15
                              Re: TW 2003 (Xbox) annoyances

                              Pretty often, I'm afraid. The problem is that you almost have to have a bunch of chip ins, hole in ones, and eagle if you want to keep pace with the wicked CPU. You will definitely find yourself at times being 10 under par and getting the [censored] beat out of you. Yes it feels scripted, yes you know it's coming, but the challenge to win is what keeps it fun...at least for me.
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