Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly.

[Ryman]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

I think the series can take baby steps in the right direction with reducing the club distances towards PGA averages. It would be really cool to play a course the way an average PGA Tour player would play it.

I remember seeing a stat that the avg. driving distance was in the 280's for the PGA Tour. I know the argument is that I can adjust sliders and make it like that but seems unfair to me when I play online and everyone else booms it.

From what I've heard, Tiger 10 has attempted to deal with the club distance issues, but it still seems that players can adjust with modded controllers or any other crazy stuff that is used and still hit it a ton. I hope I'm wrong.

[DivotMaker]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

From what I've heard, Tiger 10 has attempted to deal with the club distance issues, but it still seems that players can adjust with modded controllers or any other crazy stuff that is used and still hit it a ton. I hope I'm wrong.

It is my understanding that EA has dialed back club distances to more realistic distances due to community/blog feedback. They have also indicated they are going to be introducing caps for attributes for online play that should minimize or eliminate any advantages that 3rd part controllers might have for online play.....

[Zalf]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

It is my understanding that EA has dialed back club distances to more realistic distances due to community/blog feedback. They have also indicated they are going to be introducing caps for attributes for online play that should minimize or eliminate any advantages that 3rd part controllers might have for online play.....

I've tuned my driver down to 280ish and all of my woods/irons down to realistic yardages to make the game feel better for me. If anything it made it easier to groove everything because the sweet spot is huge now. A 5 iron approach shot isn't that different from an 8 iron approach shot if you know exactly to the inch where each one is going to land.

Distance caps just aren't going to lower the scoring that much for those only worried about scoring. It still comes down to putting because everything is split fairway, approach shots to inside 15', and putts. It might curb some of the 40's rounds with fewer eagle putts on 400+ yard par 4's but there are still going to be way too many easy birdie putts and holed out approach shots unless some other factor is added.

I am afraid they are going to try just the distance caps and when that doesn't work, go crazy with the wind and green speeds to trick things up. 20+ mph winds and 15+ stimp meter greens are fun every now and then but it is going to get old fast if every online tournament round has to be played that way. If they think people complained about perfect swings not going perfectly straight in TW07 just wait until people are hitting perfect swing drivers into par 3's to counter the gale force winds and having 5 foot putts run up to the hole and then back off the green due to arcade fast greens.

[Ryman]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

Sweet!!

[Ryman]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

Distance caps just aren't going to lower the scoring that much for those only worried about scoring. It still comes down to putting because everything is split fairway, approach shots to inside 15', and putts. It might curb some of the 40's rounds with fewer eagle putts on 400+ yard par 4's but there are still going to be way too many easy birdie putts and holed out approach shots unless some other factor is added.

It would make a big difference. The better players will knock down the putts more consistantly while the ones that relied on hitting it so far to give them easy pitch shots for their approach will stuggle if they aren't constantly putting inside 10 feet.

The reduced club distances will bring back putting as an important skill, which is like real golf. Birdies and eagles will be earned more than just bombing it and pitching it 20 yards off the green. Everybody can do that, but not everybody can hit an approach from 175 out and put themselves in a good scoring position on a consistant basis.

[Zalf]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

Distance caps just aren't going to lower the scoring that much for those only worried about scoring. It still comes down to putting because everything is split fairway, approach shots to inside 15', and putts. It might curb some of the 40's rounds with fewer eagle putts on 400+ yard par 4's but there are still going to be way too many easy birdie putts and holed out approach shots unless some other factor is added.

It would make a big difference. The better players will knock down the putts more consistantly while the ones that relied on hitting it so far to give them easy pitch shots for their approach will stuggle if they aren't constantly putting inside 10 feet.

The reduced club distances will bring back putting as an important skill, which is like real golf. Birdies and eagles will be earned more than just bombing it and pitching it 20 yards off the green. Everybody can do that, but not everybody can hit an approach from 175 out and put themselves in a good scoring position on a consistant basis.

I guess we will have to wait and see. With TW09 capping my own distance on all clubs I can put my approach shot inside 15 ft from 200 yards just as well as I can from 120 yards. Regardless of the distance if I make a straight swing I am going to put the ball in a ring where I will make the putt a vast majority of the time. If I don't make a straight swing I am off the mark as much with my 8 iron as I am with my 3 iron. Shot distance isn't the factor shot quality is and it is the same 80-100 yards.

I agree it should cut back on the holes where you really shouldn't drive the green or get inside 40 yards which should help the absolute low end scores. It won't affect my game one bit because I am already capping my distance and not using any after swing boosts. And I can shoot mid 50's all day long. If I make a straight swing I am going to birdie 95% of the holes I play because of the pin point precision of the game not any "skill" of my own.

I am looking for a game that will have me in the fairway and on the green in regulation 80% of the time even when I make the straight backwards and forwards motion with the stick. There needs to be some variation in shot results. If every shot regardless of club is going to land in a precise 5' circle every single swing, scores are going to be very low.

The club tuner is the perfect place to see this because it is perfect conditions and surfaces. Hit 20 drives and if you make a good swing every time you can go stick an imaginary flag in the center of the 20 balls and you wouldn't have a single putt over 10'. Nobody is that good even with 20 perfect swings. I don't think you could get anything close to that kind of pattern even with a driving machine.

[DivotMaker]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

The club tuner is the perfect place to see this because it is perfect conditions and surfaces. Hit 20 drives and if you make a good swing every time you can go stick an imaginary flag in the center of the 20 balls and you wouldn't have a single putt over 10'. Nobody is that good even with 20 perfect swings. I don't think you could get anything close to that kind of pattern even with a driving machine.

As stated above by OD:

EA Sports has already done what you're talking about in Tiger Woods 07, on the XBox 360 and PS3. I thought it worked well, but apparently they got enough feedback complaining about it to drop it. I've never heard anyone from EA Sports comment on why it was taken out of the game.

TW07 had such a shot dispersion model, but user feedback complained that where they aimed, the ball rarely ended up. I like the 07 shot dispersion and wish they would bring it back because NO ONE can hit a golf shot as accurately, shot after shot, as what is accomplished in TW09.....

[GrandMaster B]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

Are they going to make the AI more challenging and actually hit the ball as far as they are supposed to? In past Tiger Challenges, you would go up against a pro and they are, for the most part, in the rough, in the bunkers, drives are short and irons are inaccurate. I mean I can see that in some shots, but it happens more often than not. I am not even sure there is a Tiger Challenge mode this year, but whatever mode there is where you are going up against actual pros, their shots need to do a better job of representing that players abilities.

[mikemj23]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

As stated above by OD:



TW07 had such a shot dispersion model, but user feedback complained that where they aimed, the ball rarely ended up. I like the 07 shot dispersion and wish they would bring it back because NO ONE can hit a golf shot as accurately, shot after shot, as what is accomplished in TW09.....

Divot - strong point and sums up potential inherent limitation with making video game golf as close to real life as possible. With the TW09 model things are too objective to a degree when golf in real life is very subjective. So many variables in real life have an impact on every shot and I'm just not sure all of those things can be accurately replicated in a game.

Good start included in TW10 : dialing back club distances, variable wind and weather etc.

[Zinger]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

Good start included in TW10 : dialing back club distances, variable wind and weather etc.

TW developers have a history of overdoing things. I just hope that, for instance, we don't see dramatic weather changes in nearly every round, reminding us that this is a feature of this year's game.

[sroz39]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

What's funny about some of the Hot Shots vs TW talk earlier in this thread is that if there was a way to take ALL of the HSG gameplay and stick all the golfers, courses and Create-a-Golfer feature from the TW series into one golf game, it would very likely be the greatest golf game on a console ever.

HSG gameplay, when you look past the cartoony look, is very realistic.

[mikemj23]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

What's funny about some of the Hot Shots vs TW talk earlier in this thread is that if there was a way to take ALL of the HSG gameplay and stick all the golfers, courses and Create-a-Golfer feature from the TW series into one golf game, it would very likely be the greatest golf game on a console ever.

HSG gameplay, when you look past the cartoony look, is very realistic.

Completely agree with you on that. Hot Shots game play is very good. The guys from EA should really get some quality time playing (if they haven't already) HSG and try to incorporate some ideas.

[dave374]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

Tiger next-gen hasn't been realistic at all.
Just look at the online tourney scores and your driving percentage.

[fishepa]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

Are they going to make the AI more challenging and actually hit the ball as far as they are supposed to? In past Tiger Challenges, you would go up against a pro and they are, for the most part, in the rough, in the bunkers, drives are short and irons are inaccurate. I mean I can see that in some shots, but it happens more often than not. I am not even sure there is a Tiger Challenge mode this year, but whatever mode there is where you are going up against actual pros, their shots need to do a better job of representing that players abilities.

That brings me to another frustration with the Tiger series. When playing against the pro's, it seemed like they would have a set score for a particular hole and no matter where they were on that hole they would end up with that score. For instance, let's say on a Par 4 that John Daly's pre determined score was a bogey 5. Well, he would hit two good shots to put the ball within 15 feet and then on his 3rd shot (a putt) would go to about 2 feet away, then of course he would miss that short putt as well for the bogey. Then the next hole let's say another par 4, and his predetermind score is a birdie 3. He hits the drive in the rough, then the 2nd shot into the sand. The of course holes it out from the sand trap.

This is ridiculous and I hope this is changed.

[Dalsanto0026]

Re: Heard something this morning that sums up the lack of diff over the yrs perfectly

I wouldn't be suprised if we see another arcade TW game from EA. From what I've seen and heard so far, I'm not that impressed. The putting seems like an improvement but that's it.