Approach Shots Off Target

[jkeefeholmes]

I don't know if its just me but in this version, I see many of my approach shots go way off target line, for no apparent reason. There is no wind, its a flat lie, and the shot is straight as an arrow accdg to the graphic, yet the ball goes 10 yards or so to left or right.

I wonder if there is something I am overlooking, or if others see this too.

[OnlookerDelay]

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Tiger Woods 11 has a random shot spread withing your "aiming circle" (the targeting circle with wich you aim). If you're playing True Aim, the aiming circle is invisible, but it's still there. You just have to gauge where your random spread would fall. Anyway, that's why you're seeing variable results with your shot, compared to last year.

[jkeefeholmes]

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Hmmm yes, I am using true aim. As you say I see no circle like before.

So what you are saying is it just randomly decides where to fly the ball regardless of how well you hit it? Seems a bit odd, but then nobody hits it dead on all the time anyway, not even pros.

I noticed there are some attributes related to aiming circle, I think, which I have been ignoring, but may need to take a 2nd look at them

[DivotMaker]

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Hmmm yes, I am using true aim. As you say I see no circle like before.

So what you are saying is it just randomly decides where to fly the ball regardless of how well you hit it? Seems a bit odd, but then nobody hits it dead on all the time anyway, not even pros.

I noticed there are some attributes related to aiming circle, I think, which I have been ignoring, but may need to take a 2nd look at them

I would suggest investing some XP in bringing your Accuracy attributes up to hit straighter. Might try scaling back on the distances of your clubs to get 50% or so sweet spot as well....it works for me.

[kerosene31]

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Hmmm yes, I am using true aim. As you say I see no circle like before.

So what you are saying is it just randomly decides where to fly the ball regardless of how well you hit it? Seems a bit odd, but then nobody hits it dead on all the time anyway, not even pros.

I noticed there are some attributes related to aiming circle, I think, which I have been ignoring, but may need to take a 2nd look at them

The big (yet quiet) change they made this year is that even if you hit a shot 100% perfectly, it will still land randomly anywhere within your aiming circle.

This year even if you aim perfectly and shoot perfectly, the shot may end up on the outer edge of the aiming circle.

[jkeefeholmes]

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The big (yet quiet) change they made this year is that even if you hit a shot 100% perfectly, it will still land randomly anywhere within your aiming circle.

This year even if you aim perfectly and shoot perfectly, the shot may end up on the outer edge of the aiming circle.

Well I might actually like that, as it is how real golf is. Always something to keep you from being perfect, or far from it as in my case!

Thank you and DivotMaker for the tips. I had no idea, and will start working on my atts in a different way.

[kerosene31]

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Yes, between that and the variable winds you really are making shots a lot more realistically.

Now, you have to balance risk and reward. Do you go for the pin if it is tucked in next to a bunker or play it safe?

We're no longer just using a formula to aim and seeing if our thumb can make the shot.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Yes, between that and the variable winds you really are making shots a lot more realistically.

Now, you have to balance risk and reward. Do you go for the pin if it is tucked in next to a bunker or play it safe?

We're no longer just using a formula to aim and seeing if our thumb can make the shot.

Exactly, the vague aiming circle, wind and true aim makes TW 11 a landmark game for sim gamers and along with NHL 10 is the best sports game this year. Something I didn't think I would be saying a couple of weeks ago. Blue trails and presentation cams are minor nitpicks. TW11 is a joy to play if you wanna play like it should be played. In fact I enjoy it so much I'm not anticipating the Move as much as I once did simply because I enjoy playing with the joystick so much and now I know I have 2 valid play options come September.

If I shoot 67 in career mode I feel like I earned it from strategy and smarts rather than a disciplined thumb and conversely I feel no confidence that I can repeat that the next round and usually don't. Unpredictability in a realistic way. That's what a great sports game should be like and the devs succeeded although it took them long enough.

All the whining on EA's board about complaints with this game show that the average age of posters over there is way below the voting age.

[kerosene31]

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That's the funny thing about realism in sports games. Everyone asks for it, but some people don't really understand what they are asking for.

I'm glad EA has stuck to their guns on games like this and NHL. The learning curve is steeper, but so much more rewarding.

If someone told me years ago that I would be here complementing EA for making realistic games, I'd have thought they were nuts.

[DivotMaker]

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All the whining on EA's board about complaints with this game show that the average age of posters over there is way below the voting age.

Nice feedback SS, mirrors my feelings about TW11.

The complaints on the EA Tiger forums are 95% Amateur arcade users who care only that they can boost and spin the ball holing out 10-15 times per round. To them that is "fun". Their claim is that Focus has ruined all of this because now they have to actually conserve focus and strategize their way around the course. The gall of EA to actually make you use strategy and course management in a Golf game....

They could care less that the game is licensed with the PGA TOUR and that these arcade features have NO PLACE in any game licensed to represent the PGA TOUR. You can thank TW2003 and David Dimartini of EA for bringing that arcade crap to the TW franchise. I am pushing EA to continue to further separate the two versions, arcade and simulation so they continue to give simulation users more of what they want and let the arcade users play their game using 7 year old features that have nothing to do with the game of Golf.

[Klocker]

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Nice feedback SS, mirrors my feelings about TW11.

The complaints on the EA Tiger forums are 95% Amateur arcade users who care only that they can boost and spin the ball holing out 10-15 times per round. To them that is "fun". Their claim is that Focus has ruined all of this because now they have to actually conserve focus and strategize their way around the course. The gall of EA to actually make you use strategy and course management in a Golf game....

They could care less that the game is licensed with the PGA TOUR and that these arcade features have NO PLACE in any game licensed to represent the PGA TOUR. You can thank TW2003 and David Dimartini of EA for bringing that arcade crap to the TW franchise. I am pushing EA to continue to further separate the two versions, arcade and simulation so they continue to give simulation users more of what they want and let the arcade users play their game using 7 year old features that have nothing to do with the game of Golf.

[OnlookerDelay]

Re: Approach Shots Off Target

The complaints on the EA Tiger forums are 95% Amateur arcade users who care only that they can boost and spin the ball holing out 10-15 times per round. To them that is "fun". Their claim is that Focus has ruined all of this because now they have to actually conserve focus and strategize their way around the course. The gall of EA to actually make you use strategy and course management in a Golf game....

They could care less that the game is licensed with the PGA TOUR and that these arcade features have NO PLACE in any game licensed to represent the PGA TOUR. You can thank TW2003 and David Dimartini of EA for bringing that arcade crap to the TW franchise. I am pushing EA to continue to further separate the two versions, arcade and simulation so they continue to give simulation users more of what they want and let the arcade users play their game using 7 year old features that have nothing to do with the game of Golf.

Bravo.... Encore!

[jkeefeholmes]

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Yes I agree here. I suspect that those "arcade-ians" do not play real golf and thus don't appreciate the challenge of it and the reward of shot making when done correctly.

It seems EA has FINALLY taken quite a step forward this year and I am pleasantly surprised.

Maybe EA should make a separate arcade game for those who want to shoot 54 everytime they go out. Me I'd rather fight and think, to make birdie or par, like on the real course, and sometimes blow it, but feel great when I succeed.

Never used that 'boost'. I guess there are times, irl, when you can try and swing harder, but then, as in TW, when I have tried it, I find myself thrown off and screw up the analog stick while I am pushing the button. (I cannot walk and chew gum at the same time either Thus I try not to over swing and stick with what I can do.

[Triggerfish]

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do not forget though..those people that are crying ARE the target audience. As long as they piece meal some realism for the rest of the folk you will be alright. Golf games are not that big at moneymaking for these guys. I just wish they would have started the player out with reasonable stats if you play on tour pro...it's silly to have to build up on baby mode to get the stats.

[DivotMaker]

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do not forget though..those people that are crying ARE the target audience. As long as they piece meal some realism for the rest of the folk you will be alright. Golf games are not that big at moneymaking for these guys. I just wish they would have started the player out with reasonable stats if you play on tour pro...it's silly to have to build up on baby mode to get the stats.

Unfortunately, you are correct about the target audience as they truly do drive sales of the game. However, EA is beginning to realize that everything they need to give BOTH audiences is already "in the game", they simply need to give users access to the features that let them play the game they want to play. Or, make two separate SKU's for TW, but I doubt the game would sell well enough that way and may be too costly to produce and deliver the ROI that EA is expecting from the current versions.....