List of DLC courses.

[DivotMaker]

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Official list from one of the Devs on the EA TW forums:

I'm not sure why there are varied lists out there. I do know for a fact that these are the courses.......

1. Harbour Town
2. TPC Blue Monster at Doral
3. TPC Boston
4. Highlands (Fantasy Course)
5. Predator (Fantasy Course)

I even just went and confirmed it with several people here at the studio.

[kehlis]

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Thank you, and those courses have me leaning towards the CE.

Do you have any guess as to what the cost for the dlc courses will be divot? I don't see why the price would go down since there is more incentive to purchase this year.

[DivotMaker]

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Do you have any guess as to what the cost for the dlc courses will be divot? I don't see why the price would go down since there is more incentive to purchase this year.

Unfortunately I don't at this time, but I sincerely hope they learned from their mistakes with the initial pricing of DLC courses from TW11 and they come out with pricing similar to their discounted and bundled pricing a couple of months after 11 shipped....

[ShivasIrons]

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I have always thought that one of the big strengths of TW was the good selection of courses. To me, it makes it a whole lot more interesting to watch a tournament on tv when I have at least video golfed the course. And, although I like the additions of some of the disc courses -- Augusta, Atlanta AC, TPC San Antonio, Royal Melbourne -- I do not like losing such big name courses like Firestone, Bay Hill, Cog Hill and Wentwoth, all of which host big name tournaments televised EVERY year.

And, then they bring in unheard of courses like Costa Navarino, Els Club and keep others such as Banff, Blackwolf, Wolf Creek ... all of which have never hosted a PGA Tour event or major men's championship on tv. I wonder how much some of these courses paid EA to get in the game?

[rolltide1017]

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Has anyone read if most courses will be locked at the start of the game again this year?

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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Has anyone read if most courses will be locked at the start of the game again this year?

No courses were locked in TW11 so I think it's safe to assume that TW12 will be the same.

[DivotMaker]

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I have always thought that one of the big strengths of TW was the good selection of courses. To me, it makes it a whole lot more interesting to watch a tournament on tv when I have at least video golfed the course. And, although I like the additions of some of the disc courses -- Augusta, Atlanta AC, TPC San Antonio, Royal Melbourne -- I do not like losing such big name courses like Firestone, Bay Hill, Cog Hill and Wentwoth, all of which host big name tournaments televised EVERY year.

And, then they bring in unheard of courses like Costa Navarino, Els Club and keep others such as Banff, Blackwolf, Wolf Creek ... all of which have never hosted a PGA Tour event or major men's championship on tv. I wonder how much some of these courses paid EA to get in the game?

Welcome to course licensing issues (budgets) and the challenge of bringing in new courses to keep interest in the game up....

[rolltide1017]

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No courses were locked in TW11 so I think it's safe to assume that TW12 will be the same.

Good to know, thanks. I skipped last years version so I wasn't aware of that.

[ShivasIrons]

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Welcome to course licensing issues (budgets) and the challenge of bringing in new courses to keep interest in the game up....

I'm aware of the issue, but one has to wonder on the selections. They knock out Firestone, Bay Hill, Cog Hill, ... and perhaps you're right that those are all gone to help pay for Augusta.

But, there are still plenty of PGA Tour courses that they could probably get for cheap or for next to nothing. PGA National comes to mind where the Honda Classic was just held. The many TPC courses could likely be had for nothing. Even some of the Nationwide courses. These courses are all owned or controlled by the PGA or PGA Tour. But, EA continues to put courses in that don't even host big pro tournaments. If EA would speak to the issue and explain, it would surely help, but without that one is left to wonder about the competence of those making these decisions.

[DivotMaker]

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But, there are still plenty of PGA Tour courses that they could probably get for cheap or for next to nothing. PGA National comes to mind where the Honda Classic was just held. The many TPC courses could likely be had for nothing. Even some of the Nationwide courses. These courses are all owned or controlled by the PGA or PGA Tour. But, EA continues to put courses in that don't even host big pro tournaments. If EA would speak to the issue and explain, it would surely help, but without that one is left to wonder about the competence of those making these decisions.

How do you know this? Do you have any insight into what goes into the selection of a course as well as the time and resources it takes to develop one for the game? I do because I have worked with EA on their courses for past versions of TW. It is extremely expensive to laser-scan and GPS each course and the man-hours needed to take that data and create each course for the game. I don't disagree with your argument they should be including more PGA courses, but I think their course decisions are based upon bringing in new courses than many have not played even if they aren't PGA TOUR stops and bringing in more international courses like the Els course in Dubai to give the course selection a more international flavor as this game is released globally.

[ShivasIrons]

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How do you know this? Do you have any insight into what goes into the selection of a course as well as the time and resources it takes to develop one for the game? I do because I have worked with EA on their courses for past versions of TW. It is extremely expensive to laser-scan and GPS each course and the man-hours needed to take that data and create each course for the game. I don't disagree with your argument they should be including more PGA courses, but I think their course decisions are based upon bringing in new courses than many have not played even if they aren't PGA TOUR stops and bringing in more international courses like the Els course in Dubai to give the course selection a more international flavor as this game is released globally.

Well, I'd assume it's a lot cheaper for them to drive a few miles from their studio in Orlando to Palm Beach where PGA National is located to laser scan a course than it is to go to Greece to do the same work on a no-name course. Or, perhaps it's cheaper to go to Dubai to do the work? I hear there's a new muni course in southern Ethiopia.

Hmmm, ... what sounds better though if you're an EA guy making a course: a trip to the Greek Aisles, Dubai, .... or driving a few miles to Palm Beach.

If they want a more international flavor, I'm all for that. How about some courses they show on tv from Sweden or France or Mexico ... places where actual gamers are from that actually play TW.

[ShivasIrons]

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And, btw ... Unless EA was lying at their own forum, they have only laser scanned one course -- Augusta. And, this was the first and only course to date that they have laser scanned. None of the other courses were laser scanned. That's what they said.

Or, did you in your lofty position of working with them in the last few years laser scan courses?

[DivotMaker]

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And, btw ... Unless EA was lying at their own forum, they have only laser scanned one course -- Augusta. And, this was the first and only course to date that they have laser scanned. None of the other courses were laser scanned. That's what they said.

Or, did you in your lofty position of working with them in the last few years laser scan courses?

They have been laser-scanning courses for at least two years, but they have used an even newer and more detailed process when doing Augusta which they laser-scanned in 2009.

As to your last unnecessary personal shot, I have worked with EA on the following courses beginning in 2004:

Colonial Country Club
TPC Avenel
Pinehurst #2
Bethpage Black
Pebble Beach
Sherwood Country Club

I have not worked on any further courses since 2006 as they have moved on to more detailed and precise course data gathering processes such as laser-scanning of which I have no experience with. So next time you feel the need to attack me, why not ask what experience I have had with EA on a particular subject before you take personal pot shots.....

[ShivasIrons]

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Hmm, ... Well I saw where you posted at the EA forum when someone recently asked this question that you "thought you read in an ESPN article" that they had laser scanned courses in the past and that the new courses In this version were laser scanned. It didn't sound as if it was something that someone who was "in the know" and who worked with EA would post. Why would you have to reference an ESPN article?

I'd suggest you read your own forum better, as about a month or more ago one of the actual developers stated in response to this same type of question that the only course laser scanned was Augusta. The EA developer said they were planning on doing more of it in the future.

[DivotMaker]

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Hmm, ... Well I saw where you posted at the EA forum when someone recently asked this question that you "thought you read in an ESPN article" that they had laser scanned courses in the past and that the new courses In this version were laser scanned. It didn't sound as if it was something that someone who was "in the know" and who worked with EA would post. Why would you have to reference an ESPN article?

I'd suggest you read your own forum better, as about a month or more ago one of the actual developers stated in response to this same type of question that the only course laser scanned was Augusta. The EA developer said they were planning on doing more of it in the future.

The article was on ESPN the videogame section but it is 2 years old and is no longer on the site. Below is the link:

http://sports.espn.go.com/videogames&404=true

The article documented how EA had used laser-scanning/mapping technology for courses. It is obvious that they have improved on the process which is why they say that Augusta is the first, because it is the first to use the newer technology. I know what the article said and I know what EA has told me personally about how they have been recreating courses. If you want to make a Federal case out of it, go ahead. I know what I have read and I know what I have heard. Believe whatever you wish as I am not going to argue with someone who does not have the first clue about the process that EA goes through to develop courses.....